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Forums - Politics Discussion - Belgian man convicted for sexism, will be jailed if fine isn't paid, Under new law.

 

I find this...

Funny. 10 16.39%
 
Absurd. 20 32.79%
 
Scary. 16 26.23%
 
Sexist. 7 11.48%
 
Indifferent/comments... 8 13.11%
 
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Flilix said:

The fine for sexism can vary from €50 to €1000. So the majority of these €3000 is because of the other charges.

This. The entire thread is sensationalist clickbait. 

Really aren’t trying hard are you, OP? 



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Seventizz said:
Canada will soon have anti islamaphobia laws aka blasphemy. It’ll get to the point that if we say anything negative about the religion, we’ll get fined and if you don’t pay your fine, you can go to jail.

Misgendering someone in Ontario is already against the law.

Liberals are hell bent on ruining society. Flirting is practically a crime today.

This shit isn't liberalism, it's Authoritarianism wrapped in phony "progressiveism" and virtue signaling. The modern form of far left Authoritarianism which has consumed most of the left these days.. I'm a liberal and I'm strongly opposed to these sorts of legislation.

If these guys go unopposed, it won't be long until we're all walking around like zombies, with complete fear of interacting with eachother, completely glued to out gadgets and divorced from almost any sort of humanity. No comradery, or real relationships, no one trusting or having companionship with one another. All just fending for themselves, completely reliant on the state. This is what the powers that be want, and I already see the early signs of it.. Thankfully I'll probably be dead in the 50-60 years I think it'll take to fully manifest but it's definitely the direction I see us heading little by little.

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"We hold these truths to be self-evident - all men and women created by the, go-you know.. you know the thing!" - Joe Biden

Oh shit I'm Belgian so I'd better be careful when talking to the ladies... Oh wait I don't talk to ladies or men or anyone in the streets as I always mind my own business.
Still, to avoid any confrontation that might be interpreted as sexist, I must totally ignore women just to be safe.



John2290 said:
royboom said:
I live in a continent where for the most part racist behaviour is punishable and I fully support that, so yes, in my opinion, this is acceptable, on a general level, since I've no deets on the law itself.

The law does not punish sexist thoughts, he still has that to him, but sexist behaviour is an entirely different case.

And how do you define that? Any interaction between the opposite sex could be interpreted as sexist depending on how far society brings forward the definition of sexism. A wink and a smile? The wrong noun used? A simple touch on the shoulder or sinple actions like a male opening the door for a female. This is the way its going, sexism seems to be increasingly determined by how the "victim" felt by the words or actions, that is why this vague law is scary, it could literally be used in any situation between the sexes and the fact that it can be used to convict citizens in interactions with police is down right Orwellian. 

Yeah, that's precisely the problem with this! A few months back I read an interview in a german newspaper with two leading female politicians from the social democratic party. They discussed in seriousness whether "a hand on the knee" should count as sexual assault and be punishable by law. I doubt the people who are in uproar about this want women naked and in the kitchen - but the boundaries are being pushed all the time. Just look at the stupid "consent" debate: First we had "no means no", then "yes means yes" and now we seriously have politicians (especially in frontrunner countries like Sweden) that think women should be able to retroactively withdraw consent and concept like "enthusiastic consent", just in case the woman said yes but didn't really mean it. It's a slippery slope argument and that's the problem with it - especially considering how quick things move in one direction. The question no one asks is: Why can't government just stay out of minor things? Do we really need the state to punish someone for using the "wrong" pronouns? And why do we ignore that feminism is a political view, like socialism or libertarianism? Would we jail people or fine them a hefty sum for "questioning libertarianism"? Would we try to teach our children to be social democrats? 



Fei-Hung said:
I would like a poll for what is more absurd in the mind of users here, this law where you get fined for being sexist etc or a 2nd amendment where it is okay to buy and carry weapons.

Well, is this mutually exclusive? Personally, I am extremely critical of third wave feminism (and lot of women I spoke to, too by the way) but I would totally be in favour of more gun restrictions of I was a US citizens. Both sides are stupid in their own ways, you don't have to pick one and adhere to it like the bible.



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Louie said:
John2290 said:

And how do you define that? Any interaction between the opposite sex could be interpreted as sexist depending on how far society brings forward the definition of sexism. A wink and a smile? The wrong noun used? A simple touch on the shoulder or sinple actions like a male opening the door for a female. This is the way its going, sexism seems to be increasingly determined by how the "victim" felt by the words or actions, that is why this vague law is scary, it could literally be used in any situation between the sexes and the fact that it can be used to convict citizens in interactions with police is down right Orwellian. 

Yeah, that's precisely the problem with this! A few months back I read an interview in a german newspaper with two leading female politicians from the social democratic party. They discussed in seriousness whether "a hand on the knee" should count as sexual assault and be punishable by law. I doubt the people who are in uproar about this want women naked and in the kitchen - but the boundaries are being pushed all the time. Just look at the stupid "consent" debate: First we had "no means no", then "yes means yes" and now we seriously have politicians (especially in frontrunner countries like Sweden) that think women should be able to retroactively withdraw consent and concept like "enthusiastic consent", just in case the woman said yes but didn't really mean it. It's a slippery slope argument and that's the problem with it - especially considering how quick things move in one direction. The question no one asks is: Why can't government just stay out of minor things? Do we really need the state to punish someone for using the "wrong" pronouns? And why do we ignore that feminism is a political view, like socialism or libertarianism? Would we jail people or fine them a hefty sum for "questioning libertarianism"? Would we try to teach our children to be social democrats? 

Lol “feminism is a political view”. Only if you actually are a sexist. It is defined as, “the advocacy of women's rights on the basis of the equality of the sexes.” I don’t really care for anecdotal stories you have or similar such drivel. But that is what feminism is by it’s very definition. Do you not believe women should possess equal rights? That’s all it is. Other things are layers of garbage added by sexists by the left and right. I don’t see the equality of women as a political view though, more of a rational one 



forest-spirit said: Yeah, the real problem here is the fact that we have girls wearing the police uniform when they should be at home making dinner. The man who was fined did the right thing when he tried to put the police woman in place.

Ah common. Comments like yours are the reason why this law exists in the first place in Belgium. People are still being way to far right in the spectrum of modern times.  



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StarOcean said:

Lol “feminism is a political view”. Only if you actually are a sexist. It is defined as, “the advocacy of women's rights on the basis of the equality of the sexes.” I don’t really care for anecdotal stories you have or similar such drivel. But that is what feminism is by it’s very definition. Do you not believe women should possess equal rights? That’s all it is. Other things are layers of garbage added by sexists by the left and right. I don’t see the equality of women as a political view though, more of a rational one 

That's a bad argument and you know it. This is just a neat little trick to make people say they are feminists. Are you for equal rights for men? Well, then I guess you are a Men's Rights Activist! Are you for a fair social system? Well, you must be a social democrat.

Putting yourself on the moral high ground actually shows that you will use any tactic besides rationality to win an argument... which, ironically, means the person you are arguing with now has the moral high ground. You are not a better person than me because of your political views. Your views and mine are equally valuable - or don't you believe in equality and democracy? (See, it's a very shallow way to argue.)

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i don’t find this very concerning. at least she didn’t decide to search his vehicle and plant drugs or anything like that. a month in jail doesn’t sound too bad compared to paying $3000+



Louie said:
StarOcean said:

Lol “feminism is a political view”. Only if you actually are a sexist. It is defined as, “the advocacy of women's rights on the basis of the equality of the sexes.” I don’t really care for anecdotal stories you have or similar such drivel. But that is what feminism is by it’s very definition. Do you not believe women should possess equal rights? That’s all it is. Other things are layers of garbage added by sexists by the left and right. I don’t see the equality of women as a political view though, more of a rational one 

That's a bad argument and you know it. This is just a neat little trick to make people say they are feminists. Are you for equal rights for men? Well, then I guess you are a Men's Rights Activist! Are you for a fair social system? Well, you must be a social democrat.

Putting yourself on the moral high ground actually shows that you will use any tactic besides rationality to win an argument... which, ironically, means the person you are arguing with now has the moral high ground. You are not a better person than me because of your political views. Your views and mine are equally valuable - or don't you believe in equality and democracy? (See, it's a very shallow way to argue.)

That’s literally all there is to being a feminist. If you think there’s more to it than that, you have problems, bud. And of course I’m a mens right activist. You know that spreading your legs in New York subways can get you fined or even pulled off a train? That law only applies to men. That’s an unfair law. I’m also very much pro-fair social system. And being for a fair social system hardly qualifies anyone as a Democrat. 

So you’re essentially saying it is a political view that women get equal rights to men? That’s not a political stance, that’s called being a sexist, still. If you are among the people who think feminist means dying your hair blue and cutting it short while advocating for the “some are more equal than others” approach -I had better not ever see any hypocrisy over how you feel about gun owners, Christianity, Judaism, Islam, etc that all have bad and extremists among them. Feminism and feminists are different things. Ones a concept which I highly doubt you don’t support. Feminists are people, many of them flawed and have warped ideas of what feminism truly is.