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AngryLittleAlchemist said:
contestgamer said:

Replace the word black with white in that sentence and see how ridiculous it sounds.

Yeah, that doesn't follow through with logic and reasoning though. Why would white people need to be supported? 

Why do black people need to be supported? 



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Qwark said:
The amount of stupid people here is too damn high. A white cast for Black Panther would not make sense in the least. If you want to complaint about forced diversity you should complaint about the Fantastic 4 remake. Marvel should have an Asian Avenger. I mean Vision was literally a fuck you to Asian people. We even added an Android before an Asian;)

Nobody in here is saying that the Black Panther cast should be white. Don't know where you got that.



newwil7l said:
TranceformerFX said:
Black Panther: The only movie where forced diversity is celebrated and it's critical reception is measured by it's political significance and not the quality of the actual film.

Black Panthers Box Office gross is not only pathetic, but also sets a precedent on the state of mind that this country is in.

Want to watch an all Black cast movie that's actually of great quality? Watch "Menace 2 Society". Came out 25 years ago. All Black cast - nobody gave a shit.

Black Panther has always been black. This movie was never a case of forced diversity. 

 

Jesus some of you just don't have a clue and just regurgitate stupidity you see on line from crazy right wingers or left wingers. 

I know it's always been Black, it takes place in Africa that's located in a North Korean styled secluded state. Wakanda. My gripe is that Black Panther doesn't deserve it's critical praise and box office success because it's status was achieved by having an all black cast - that's it. 

 

That's kind of pathetic don't you think? Like everything about your movie is like that spoiled popular rich kid in High School that got Prom King just because he drives a Porsche to school. 

 

This would never happen with an all Asian cast, or an all Indian cast, or an all Native American cast, or any other minority for that matter. The movie is successful because everyone was black, not because it was good movie - which it wasn't. The action choreography was terrible.



TranceformerFX said:
newwil7l said:

Black Panther has always been black. This movie was never a case of forced diversity. 

 

Jesus some of you just don't have a clue and just regurgitate stupidity you see on line from crazy right wingers or left wingers. 

I know it's always been Black, it takes place in Africa that's located in a North Korean styled secluded state. Wakanda. My gripe is that Black Panther doesn't deserve it's critical praise and box office success because it's status was achieved by having an all black cast - that's it. 

 

That's kind of pathetic don't you think? Like everything about your movie is like that spoiled popular rich kid in High School that got Prom King just because he drives a Porsche to school. 

 

This would never happen with an all Asian cast, or an all Indian cast, or an all Native American cast, or any other minority for that matter. The movie is successful because everyone was black, not because it was good movie - which it wasn't. The action choreography was terrible.

Easy on the damn salt. 

Black Panther is a good movie, one of the best that Marvel's made. Suck it haters. 



TranceformerFX said:
AngryLittleAlchemist said:

Yeah, that doesn't follow through with logic and reasoning though. Why would white people need to be supported? 

Why do black people need to be supported? 

I don't believe I said they did. I said that idea exists. A better exercise would be to ask yourself : why shouldn't they need to be supported? 



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The "state" of the movie going business is that the largest movie going demographics are changing with Hispanic/African Americans/other groups making up roughly 40%+ of the movie tickets being sold. 

The global market is bigger than ever with China becoming a big market.

Fact is it's not 1969 anymore and some people are having trouble dealing with that. The audience/market was ready for Black Panther and are ready to see more movie's that don't necessarily have to have a white cast.

The idea that a Hollywood movie must have a predominantly white cast for a "big movie" is being proven wrong by changing market demographics. Beyond that the fact is plenty of white people loved Black Panther too. Going to watch Ready Player One last Friday, I noticed an older 50-something white couple buying tickets for BP ... it's a cultural phenomenon, that's all there is to it. 

America is roughly a 60/40 split between white and so-called "minority" groups, that will grow to 50/50 in the coming years because the younger part of the demographic is more mixed/minority kids (children under 5 in America, the majority now is a minority). This isn't "forced diversity", it's changes made to reflect a far more diverse audience. 

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TranceformerFX said:
newwil7l said:

Black Panther has always been black. This movie was never a case of forced diversity. 

 

Jesus some of you just don't have a clue and just regurgitate stupidity you see on line from crazy right wingers or left wingers. 

I know it's always been Black, it takes place in Africa that's located in a North Korean styled secluded state. Wakanda. My gripe is that Black Panther doesn't deserve it's critical praise and box office success because it's status was achieved by having an all black cast - that's it. 

 

That's kind of pathetic don't you think? Like everything about your movie is like that spoiled popular rich kid in High School that got Prom King just because he drives a Porsche to school. 

 

This would never happen with an all Asian cast, or an all Indian cast, or an all Native American cast, or any other minority for that matter. The movie is successful because everyone was black, not because it was good movie - which it wasn't. The action choreography was terrible.

More stupid hot takes. What excuse do you have for the other films with black casts that get critically and commercially trounced at the box office? From your last statement, you only have a problem with it because the cast is black and it's a successful movie. If a movie with Asian and Native American casts had been box office hits, would you go after them as well?



TranceformerFX said:
newwil7l said:

Black Panther has always been black. This movie was never a case of forced diversity. 

 

Jesus some of you just don't have a clue and just regurgitate stupidity you see on line from crazy right wingers or left wingers. 

I know it's always been Black, it takes place in Africa that's located in a North Korean styled secluded state. Wakanda. My gripe is that Black Panther doesn't deserve it's critical praise and box office success because it's status was achieved by having an all black cast - that's it. 

 

That's kind of pathetic don't you think? Like everything about your movie is like that spoiled popular rich kid in High School that got Prom King just because he drives a Porsche to school. 

 

This would never happen with an all Asian cast, or an all Indian cast, or an all Native American cast, or any other minority for that matter. The movie is successful because everyone was black, not because it was good movie - which it wasn't. The action choreography was terrible.

Absolutely not and you're looking at it through a via biased lense. This is simply a blockbuster benefitting from appealing to a broad demographic, whilst also fulfilling an underserved "niche" or demographic. 

If you have issue with BP doing well you should have a problem with most other blockbuster approaching 1 billion, because there are plenty of movies with better story telling, more interesting characters, better performances  which don't even come close to making 100m WW.  But they don't have the wide appeal of a shiny, blockbuster which appeals to demographics of all kinds. Why is it only an issue when one of these core demographics is black people, POC, people who are interested in seeing different kind of aesthetics and culture on screen? Do you also complain when films and games targeted at a white male demographic do amazingly well?



contestgamer said:

It's an American movie where the black population is 15% yet the production crew is a far higher percentage black for this movie. It is on purpose, the director has spoken as much about it. It's openly praised for being a celebration of black culture: https://www.vox.com/culture/2018/2/23/17028826/black-panther-wakanda-culture-marvel

 

This movie is openly about empowering blacks, black culture and black narratives. That would be fine if it was equally acceptable to do that for whites, but it's not. It happens incidentally, but it would not be considered acceptable if a movie released with the specific purpose of celebrating white culture, having an all white cast in a fictional all white country and then calling it "white panther". It would be considered racist, because frankly it would be. However it should be considered the same when other groups do it.

There is double standard, period.

Your argument fails to grasp anything of real meaning.

POC are painfully underepresented in the industry (especially behind the camera) and in film in diverse roles which why their is conscious effort to empower them. You or any other producer/director/casting director wanting to "Empower" white people in the industry despite white people already being to dominant power, does very little good whilst a taking further power away from the already underrepresented, underpowered.

Sure, you can shout double standards if you remove any actual meaning/consequence. I.e a child hitting you, but you not being able to hit them back is "double standards" as long as you remove all meaningful context.



TranceformerFX said:
Insidb said:

How sad must it be that they're part of one of the most discriminated against demographics of all time, and one of the only things that keeps them from being successful is their skin color?

MAYBE, if not for rampant and ignorant racism, such movies wouldn't be so rare and the audience starved for them.

Okay, I'm gonna ignore the "they're part of one of the most descriminated against" part because I REALLY don't wanna derail this thread. (Spoiler: black people aren't discriminated NEARLY as much as Asians)

 

BUT ANYWAY

 

If audiences "starved" for an all black cast movie - then how come Moonlight wasn't a box office phenomenon? I'm just going by your logic bro. 

Asians are discriminated against, as well, and many of the same issues we are discussing here also hold true for them. Just swap black for Asian in film, and you see many of the same trends.

 

Big budget movies with predominantly black casts, especially superhero films, are extremely rare. On the topic of Moonlight, it was an indie film that brought in $65MM against a budget of $4MM, which ranks as #1 ALL-TIME (http://www.boxofficemojo.com/showdowns/chart/?id=moonlightcomps.htm) against comparable films. That's also good for #98 is 2016, #86 in 2017, and #19 in the early goings of 2018. Let's also not forget that another predominantly black, indie film, Get Out, brought in $255M against a budget of $4.5MM, which puts it at and #11, #37, #6, in the same years.