Trump is no dummy. Kim is. It’s obvious NK wants sanctions lifted and increased aid in trade of disarmament, but how can Kim be trusted? How on earth would the US or SK conduct inspections? Most of the country is unmapped and unknown.
You cannot have peace with a dictator who enslaves millions of people. You just can’t.
As much as any talk between the President and another person. Nothing is said until the President is bored and leaves.
If you demand respect or gratitude for your volunteer work, you're doing volunteering wrong.
Two kids, trapped in bodies of grown-up men, with some serious superiority complexes and unlimited access to their nuklear toys. What could possibly go wrong?
Nothing good for the civilized countries. There’s a reason that no other President has met with him or his father before him. He wants to be legitimized, to do that he’s attempting to get the President to meet with him. Trump will more than likely not see him. The point is to legitimize their regime and cut sanctions. Kim would also try to get the US military out of SK. It’s all dangerous and irresponsible. He should not meet with Un.
| StarOcean said: Nothing good for the civilized countries. There’s a reason that no other President has met with him or his father before him. He wants to be legitimized, to do that he’s attempting to get the President to meet with him. Trump will more than likely not see him. The point is to legitimize their regime and cut sanctions. Kim would also try to get the US military out of SK. It’s all dangerous and irresponsible. He should not meet with Un. |
Then what would you propose is the solution to the North Korean problem?
Kim-Jong Drumpf's regime has displayed a pattern of systemic incompetence for over 400 consecutive days. I see no reason that his poor leadership and unbroken chain of bad decisions is going to change any time soon. Even if a good idea does somehow manage to pop into his head, he doesn't have the temperament, the knowledge, or the personnel to properly implement it. Any progress will be in spite of the Failure-in-Chief, and it'll likely be short-lived.
RolStoppable said:
Is that reason that the USA do not acknowledge North Korea as a sovereign state? |
Yes, 100%.
Carl2291 said:
Then what would you propose is the solution to the North Korean problem? |
First off, do not legitimize them. That’s one of the stupidest things that could be done. Second, Trump should have absolutely no direct talks with Un. He’s too easily manipulated. The Chinese and Russians will be there so it is vital we have experienced individuals go. This admin has none of that. The entire thing puts the US at a disadvantage. Un should be heading to DC, not the other way around. It needs to be 100% public as well.
A solution would be to either sanction it until death or to sign a similar agreement that the US made with Cuba that we agree not to invade them in exchange for them to cut their nuclear program. Keep in mind the latter was largely a compromise after the US failed in the Bay of Pigs invasion. So the latter would not be preferable.
RolStoppable said:
Would it really be that much of concession to say that North Korea is a sovereign state and that its people aren't equal to Al Qaida? I mean, it would be worth a shot to see if North Korea changes if they are met with a minimum amount of respect that they haven't received at any point yet. Offering respect won't cost the USA anything. |
If it were by the Obama, Bush Jr, Clinton, Bush Sr, Reagan, and most other administrations -sure. Not this one. They want the SK American bases gone.
RolStoppable said:
The Bush Jr. administration was the one who famously linked the entirety of North Korea to "the axis of evil". Bush singled out terrorists of other nations, but in the case of North Korea he said it was all of North Korea. At the time South Korea and North Korea were in talks to improve the relationship between the two nations of the Korean peninsula, but Bush's outburst caused great disruption and was basically the starting point to today's problem of North Korea's nuclear tests and provocations. It's known how the USA deal with terrorists, so it isn't all that surprising that North Korea switched into a high defense mode. Bush Jr. is also associated with making up an excuse to go to war in Iraq (Iraq supposedly had weapons of mass destruction or whatever the justification was). The North Korean regime may be problematic to begin with, but the actions of the USA played a big part in pushing North Korea towards its extreme status. |
I don’t doubt Bush Jr made massive mistakes with NK. But at the same time I have much less faith in the Trump administration to not worsen everything.
StarOcean said:
Yes, 100%.
First off, do not legitimize them. That’s one of the stupidest things that could be done. Second, Trump should have absolutely no direct talks with Un. He’s too easily manipulated. The Chinese and Russians will be there so it is vital we have experienced individuals go. This admin has none of that. The entire thing puts the US at a disadvantage. Un should be heading to DC, not the other way around. It needs to be 100% public as well. A solution would be to either sanction it until death or to sign a similar agreement that the US made with Cuba that we agree not to invade them in exchange for them to cut their nuclear program. Keep in mind the latter was largely a compromise after the US failed in the Bay of Pigs invasion. So the latter would not be preferable. |
And embargoing Cuba was the dumbest decision is the history of decisions. Cuba didn't give in and so far, they've only reformed because since they want to ready for an actual transfer of power and see if they can pull a China. Also, their living standards did keep rising, though they still underperformed.
As Lavrov once said, North Koreans would sooner eat grass than give up their nukes. Welcome to realpolitik, where your geopolitical street cred is worth jack to people because they have actual ways of telling you "no" to your face no matter how much of a tantrum you make and make all potential alternatives undesirable unless you act like the morally superior country or just agree to disagree and go on detente, where you agree to disagree and make some concessions without giving everything up... and containment, where you just tell them it's business as usual and we go back to our scheduled programming of drills and missile launches.
Unless you don't mind seeing men in suits strangling each other monthly, I wouldn't advocate containment... There's a reason Reagan needed to change to a policy of rollback and fight back, and he was able to do so only after detente, which gave us Gorbachev, who was retarded and didn't see he was being toyed with. Unless someone replaces Kim, rollback isn't viable...
If Trump wants to do something to cement himself as a good president, he should sign a non aggression pact and go back to the usual 'I can't hear you' status they had before their relations broke down circa five years ago.
I am sure negotiating drills around the Liancourt rocks is doable... China is far more reasonable in this regard and South Korea administers them anyways.
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