thismeintiel said:
And even with them being aggressive, they still came in 3rd. MS has never won a gen, nor will it. It took Sony fucking up majorly for them to take that close 3rd. That's just how big the PS brand is. How likely is it that Sony fucks up that big again? They would have to come out a year later, which in itself doesn't matter, with only slightly more powerful HW and a launch price $200 more than MS, but 3rd party games looking worse for a year or so due to complicated HW, to screw up that big, again.
Also, it's pretty obvious that MS doesn't care about Xbox like they did in the 360 days, so they aren't going to be paying millions to gobble up exclusives and marketing rights. Maybe the first year, but once it becomes clear that the PS5 is selling very well, the price to keep things off of PS goes up incredibly. Besides, it didn't help them stay ahead last gen, and it isn't going to help much next gen with Sony firing, once again, on all cylinders. I mean worst case scenario, the PS5 is slightly less powerful, but costs the same as the XB2, and a couple big games come out first on the XB2. That's not going to hurt its sales at all.
As for COD, it became very clear that the audience was split pretty close to 50/50 later in the gen, with NA being skewed 360 and EU/Japan skewing PS3, so exclusive marketing rights and early DLC isn't that big a factor. Of course, we'll also see if MS wants to continue paying for them as the price to do so rises.
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and PS3 almost become 3rd. Yes Sony fucked up. They are lucky that PS brand is strong in ROTW because of 2 successful Console.
But MS became aggressive remember the Halo marketing? They won the biggest market NA. Sony cannot let that happen again.
The problem here is not who is winning or who is losing by a small margin. Even if PS3 sold 2-5 million ahead of 360 LTD Sony gave that market share to XBOX by giving them a head start and underestimating the Xbox brand.
You are telling me here that Sony should underestimate the Xbox brand again and let them have a year without competition and stealing market share again for the PS5. They can't let another PS3-360 situation again happen you cannot give your competition any kind of advantage.
As for the last bit. COD fanbase favors 360 it's not 50/50. It's more of 60-40 or 55-45. UK and NA are the biggest market for FPS games and 360 is leading on that front. I remember UK being 360 land. What is the market share now for COD between Xbone and PS4? It favors the PS4 more and that is what Sony wants. They don't want to share 50/50 with the new box or the new Xbox having more market share.
Shadow1980 said:
NoCtiS_NoX said:
We are on a different market now. Time has changed. Xbox is a strong brand now. PS strongest competitor. We have the COD games now, Assassin's creed and Battlefield. Imagined the next box releasing with those 3. And your last bit imagined the new Xbox releasing with all those things you mentioned and with a headstart. Do you think MS will not be aggressive knowing that they don't have any competition? Maybe you are underestimating the marketing power of MS and do you think MS didn't learn it's lesson from Xbone? If Sony gave them that advantage then they are just giving the MS a free ride for the whole year with no competition and building it's fanbase.
and Do you think the COD fanbase will switch to PS5 if it is release a year after? You are underestimating the effect of that game and the peer pressure from that fanbase. Do you think if PS5 launch MS will not use the Price drop strategy for it's xbox to steal thunder for PS5? IMO Sony will not give any sort of advantage to MS. They learn their lesson with the PS3 and to some extend PS4.
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"We are on a different market now"? If you're going to invent new "rules of sales" by saying that release timing matters now when it never did in any prior generation, I'm going to need some good evidence justifying it. The burden of proof is on you to show that release timing is now an important factor.
As a counterargument, if the Xbox 4 releases too early, it may not be sufficiently powerful compared to the X1X. Even if it is, it may not be as powerful as the PS5, especially if MS goes for a $400 price point and Sony goes for a $500 price point. Furthermore, CoD may be big, but it's not as big as it used to be, plus whatever CoD game is first released for the Xbox 4, it will be a cross-gen game, and thus unlikely to be pushing the Xbox 4's hardware much. While it may have slightly better textures and/or run at a higher resolution, the difference may not be sufficient to make it such a superior port that CoD players on PS4 will start to abandon PlayStation to make the jump to the Xbox 4.
Finally, the PS3 didn't suffer because it released a year after the 360. It suffered because "FIVE HUNDRED NINETY NINE U.S. DOLLARS!" The 360 had a massive price advantage right out of the gate. The 20GB 360 "Pro" was $100 cheaper than the comparable PS3 SKU for a full year after the PS3 launched. By time the PS3 had been cut to $400, the 360 Pro had been reduced to $350. And the PS3 wouldn't get reduced to $300 until a full year after the 360 Pro had been reduced to that price. It wasn't until Aug. 2009 that the PS3 finally got to price parity with the 360, and by that point it was too late to take the lead in the U.S. Once the 360 S was released in June 2010, the PS3 didn't stand a chance (though the PS3 still dominated in Europe and Japan).
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No, I am not making new rules. Today's market is different from the data you have provided. We are on the the market that all 3 brand name are strong. With Sony's and MS' console is very close in terms of specs and with this gen. Sony and MS introduced Pro and XBoX. A hardware revisions that upgrade the system and late 2019 is 2 years after XBX launch. ( I can also make this as counter argument to the bold). It doesn't matter if the OG NXbox is underpowered when they can announced a more powerful console the beats even PS5 later on.
Also, If MS launch first since Xbox and PS shares the 90% same library now. You cannot leave the competition unattended. You are giving your competition a market share from this 3rd party games for next gen. COD, Battlefield, GTA online and with Co-op games being huge now if you compare it last gen.
You have to remember Sony is charging us for online aswell. It doesn't matter if Sony win next gen. if NXbox will be able to get a significant market share limiting the profit potential of Sony for PSplus for PS5. I assure you Sony would rather dominate than just winning next gen by 15 Million because PSPlus is a money grabber for them.
Lastly, obviously price is a factor as well but being first in today's market will give you a big advantage. If NXbox explode like the Switch in it's first year believe me it will be harder for Sony to dominate again if they will release a year after.
Oh and yes 360 having a headstart help them they were able to build that fanbase. If PS3 was released the same year as 360. Last gen would have been different and if PS4 was released a year after Xbone. They couldn't have capitalize with Xbone mistake.