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quickrick on 07 March 2018
SKMBlake said:
quickrick said:

we already gone through this. it's already a established fact that number was not for the end of 2017.

I don't remeber it that way. I remember you saying that, and everyone proving how wrong you were (and actually you were)

lol the main guy that was arguing with in that thread wrote this. props to him at least some people can admit they are wrong.

Hey Quickrick. I just wanted to apologize because I actually was wrong with the 13 million figure. See the way I saw it, the number by January 21st was 12.5 million. So the 13 million must have been from December 31st, because the sales in other parts of the world where 1.5 million.




But then I double duped myself. I completely forgot that Latin America and Asia weren't included, which is very stupid because I actually quoted that earlier in the thread. Then I responded by saying "well it was already at 12.5 million so even not including those countries just 1/3 of ROW would account for the extra 500k needed for 13 million!" But I forgot that, as far as we know, the sales of America and Japan and Europe were only 12.0 at the time of December 31st ... so it actually would have required 2/3's of ROW figures. Which would be impossible without Asia and Latin America. I was using the 12.5 figure because I got confused and mixed up. 



I just wanted to say I am sorry for that. I usually am good at debates but I was honestly really tired and stressed about other things at the time and it made me slip up. I don't think I was that mean to you at the time but I do think one comment I made was slightly offensive, so I apologize for that too. 



If it's any consolation I do think you're way better as a user than when you first showed up. I wish you'd downplay Nintendo a bit less, but oh well, nothing I can do about that. Different viewpoints, and all!



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Nautilus on 07 March 2018
quickrick said:
Nautilus said:
Nintendo themselves said that sold through is above 13 millions, so this info is wrong by default.

we already gone through this. it's already a established fact that number was not for the end of 2017.

It was though.The sooner you accept it, a piece of information that comes from the most official source possible, the sooner you can get over it.



My (locked) thread about how difficulty should be a decision for the developers, not the gamers.

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=241866&page=1

Bofferbrauer2 on 07 March 2018
quickrick said:
Yerm said:
"over the course of the year" could likely mean consoles sold in 2017, which would line up pretty well with every other outlet reported

Yea it probably means that buts it would still be over tracked by a huge amount, around 800k i think.

Switch got put down to 13M in 2017 here on the site, so that would only make it 200k anymore if they are correct with the 12.8M



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Free Pc Games thread: https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread/248138/free-pc-games/1/

quickrick on 07 March 2018
RolStoppable said:
quickrick said:

umm why would they look less competent? nintendo does the same thing, remember the 3 million announcement vs 3.8. The fact is everyone already knows sony sold 53.4 million, way before the 53 million number came out from them, they didn't feel the the need to mention the 400k for the 53 million. 

IHS looks less competent because 53m is less accurate than 53.4m, and that's despite it being public knowledge that the accurate number is 53.4m. For an analyst firm accuracy is important because they want to sell their analyses to other companies. They have no reason to be deliberately inaccurate, so any mistakes they make stem from a lack of competence at doing their jobs. Since IHS's lack of competence is verifiable, there's no reaon to take their estimates as facts.

Nintendo's NPD press release for December 2009 isn't comparable because Nintendo isn't an analyst firm. A console selling 3m in a single month in the USA is already mighty impressive, so by deliberately downplaying their success, Nintendo looked even better when the actual NPD numbers were released. The purpose of PR is to make a company look as good as possible, so that's why it made sense for Nintendo to downplay their own numbers for the duration of a couple of days.

I disagree, nobody cares about 400k more out of a huge number like 53 million, and the fact everyone knew sony announced 53.4 million a  few months ago, so the 53 million info was pretty useless info anyway you look at it. 

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quickrick on 07 March 2018
CGI-Quality said:
These numbers just don't have a ring of truth, rick. I see the crusade, but they've been proven wrong several times in here.

how have they been proven wrong?



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quickrick on 07 March 2018
Bofferbrauer2 said:
quickrick said:

Yea it probably means that buts it would still be over tracked by a huge amount, around 800k i think.

Switch got put down to 13M in 2017 here on the site, so that would only make it 200k anymore if they are correct with the 12.8M

I remember reading a article saying 13.46 i guess they adjusted the number to 13 million. 



TruckOSaurus on 07 March 2018
quickrick said:
RolStoppable said:

IHS looks less competent because 53m is less accurate than 53.4m, and that's despite it being public knowledge that the accurate number is 53.4m. For an analyst firm accuracy is important because they want to sell their analyses to other companies. They have no reason to be deliberately inaccurate, so any mistakes they make stem from a lack of competence at doing their jobs. Since IHS's lack of competence is verifiable, there's no reaon to take their estimates as facts.

Nintendo's NPD press release for December 2009 isn't comparable because Nintendo isn't an analyst firm. A console selling 3m in a single month in the USA is already mighty impressive, so by deliberately downplaying their success, Nintendo looked even better when the actual NPD numbers were released. The purpose of PR is to make a company look as good as possible, so that's why it made sense for Nintendo to downplay their own numbers for the duration of a couple of days.

I disagree, nobody cares about 400k more out of a huge number like 53 million, and the fact everyone knew sony announced 53.4 million a  months ago, so the 53 million info was pretty useless info anyway you look at it. 

But we should we care about a 381K difference for the Switch somehow.

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Bofferbrauer2 on 07 March 2018
quickrick said:
Bofferbrauer2 said:

Switch got put down to 13M in 2017 here on the site, so that would only make it 200k anymore if they are correct with the 12.8M

I remember reading a article saying 13.46 i guess they adjusted the number to 13 million. 

Yeah, it got adjusted down. Twice in fact if I remember correctly



The Nintendo eShop rating Thread: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=237454 List as Google Doc:  https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1aW2hXQT1TheElVS7z-F3pP-7nbqdrDqWNTxl6JoJWBY/edit?usp=sharing

The Steam/GOG key gifting thread: https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread/242024/the-steamgog-key-gifting-thread/1/ 

Free Pc Games thread: https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread/248138/free-pc-games/1/

quickrick on 07 March 2018
CGI-Quality said:
quickrick said:

how have they been proven wrong?

Where have they been validated? I see Acevil and Rol came at you with sources. Did you look at them?

yes i did. IHS said ps4 has a install base of 53 million, but that report number came out 2 months after sony announced 53.4 million, they just didn't feel the need to add the 400k.



quickrick on 07 March 2018
TruckOSaurus said:
quickrick said:

I disagree, nobody cares about 400k more out of a huge number like 53 million, and the fact everyone knew sony announced 53.4 million a  months ago, so the 53 million info was pretty useless info anyway you look at it. 

But we should we care about a 381K difference for the Switch somehow.

kinda of a huge difference  between 12 million and 53 million. then there also the fact we have official numbers from sony in the same exact period, for example if nintendo gave exact sell through numbers for the end of 2017, the 12.8 million from them would be useless.