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Is there any law in USA about high rank treason?



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numberwang said:
Puppyroach said:

Well done of them for "fabricating" several pieces of information that turned out to be true then... 

Which crimes did the dossier prove? Source please.

Where did anyone claim that the dossier gave evidence of committed crimes? 



SpokenTruth said:
Should we also ignore the fact that Rex Tillerson was awarded the Order of Friendship (Russia's highest honor for non-citizens) in 2013 by Putin himself at his private summer residence in Sochi?

Why do hate Russians so much? They are people like you and me too.



Puppyroach said:
numberwang said:

Which crimes did the dossier prove? Source please.

Where did anyone claim that the dossier gave evidence of committed crimes? 

A mix of fiction and tripe then?



I am starting to believe that people who believe Russia and Trump worked together are in the same group of 9/11 truthers.



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numberwang said:
SpokenTruth said:
Should we also ignore the fact that Rex Tillerson was awarded the Order of Friendship (Russia's highest honor for non-citizens) in 2013 by Putin himself at his private summer residence in Sochi?

Why do hate Russians so much? They are people like you and me too.

You're making many assumptions. Disliking the Russian leadership is not the same as disliking Russians. 



Cubedramirez said:
I am starting to believe that people who believe Russia and Trump worked together are in the same group of 9/11 truthers.

Yes, I am confident 9/11 happened  



Puppyroach said:
numberwang said:

Why do hate Russians so much? They are people like you and me too.

You're making many assumptions. Disliking the Russian leadership is not the same as disliking Russians. 

This is exactly the same response I use to refer to the anti Russian hawks BEFORE the horrific accusations against anyone were leveled... You're daffy if you think Trump was going to appoint Romn even when Mr Tangerine hadn't liked him... 

You hate Russia for doing you a favor. Some of the people, meanwhile, over at my hometown wish Russia had rolled tanks down La Rambla after the CG reached Barcelona... 

If there's no proof, I refuse to believe it. Testimony from people with interests involving Russia are automatically rejected. Also, I refuse to believe loons like Christopher Steele, who cited something as ridiculous as a "piss-dossier" as proof... 

Then there's your sanctions, which translate to "The European Union must sanction Russia, because we say so..." and the fact we have already made it clear we are not going to do that. 



There are people in this country who wants to keep Russia as an enemy so they can keep spending on war machines, I don't believe this, they are trying to tell us outside countries run the presidential race now?



SpokenTruth said:
numberwang said:

Why do hate Russians so much? They are people like you and me too.

I actually don't.  What I don't like is their meddling with our elections, invading Crimea and Ukraine, killing gays, killing political opponents and developing a video of nuclear attack on Florida.

I don't have a problem with the people of Russia.  

 

Why don't you or Trump have a problem with those things?

I will explain: 

  • This is probably, if true, payback for American meddling during Yeltsin's election back when the Communist Party was the most viable option and people were thinking about reforming the USSR since the only party that seemed to be in their right mind were them... 
  • After a coup, rescinding Russian population protections in the East and when the lease on their base there was due to expire? No shit Sherlock. If Cuba entered Guantanamo and expelled you guys, would it be their fault for reclaiming land from you even though Cuba never belonged to you? 
  • I am with you on the Donbass stuff though. The threat of invasion should Ukraine refuse home rule for those regions seemed better. One of the places Russia overstepped international law... 
  • Russia has a very peculiar thing: The Orthodox Church, which makes US Catholics seem liberal, has a brutal deathgrip on many important constituencies. There's also Kadyrov and the regions in the South which have the particular caveat of being Muslim majority Republics. Gays were always going to be criminals in those areas. Vlad doesn't condemn it because he can't. The Church would cry foul almost immediately if he did. Thus why you get the awful trainwreck you had in Chechnya. For the record, they don't have these issues in the Far East, where enforcement of anti LGBT legislation has been less ham fisted and the Orthodox and Muslim's constituencies' death grip lessened due to Buddhism and Rodnovery. Rodnovers are a problem of their own, and are basically the vast majority of the guys you see in Ukraine, alongside Russian PMCs, who do run on government insignia. Basically, almost all of Russia's issues can be traced back to religious rubbish. Think what the US would be like if a Bible Belt government took over it. That's Russia in a nutshell... 
  • This is posturing, from everyone and their mother. Seriously, if you take issue with this, leave the bloody war room.