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Why is the United States so segregated?

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SecondWar said:
pastro243 said:

I also think it includes people from latin countries such as Italy, Spain, Portugal and France. But I don't know, I always get confused by those terms in USA. 

I always thought it was people from Latin America that were descended from people of those countries, but it's hardly easy to trace that anyway. Equally, I don't understand the difference between Latino and Hispanic. I always thought those demographics were more or less the same.

In answer to the OP, I think it stems to how the slave trade operated in the US compared to other countries. Although whether this is actually the case I don't know. Coming from the UK, bizarrely I'd say most Brits (including me) know more about the US slave trade than our own. Hard to say but in the Uk the main social conflict always seems to be more rich v poor than in the US where it's more centres around race.

It was about rich vs poor here in the US in many respects, even residing over racial divisions at certain points.. The Occupy Wallstreet movement a mere 5-6 years ago exemplifies that. There was a pretty big backlash against banker bailouts and the like, Bernie somewhat exemplifies that to, the short-lived Ron Paul phenomenon somewhat. This is the type of liberalism I tend to subscribe to, while I fully reject the Hillary brand of limousine liberal, Hollywood, identity politic left (whatever you want to call it) that seems to have almost fully taken hold over the more blue collar, class-based type.

I don't know what the hell happened in the last 4-5 years - don't know if the money masters and bankers got together and decided "alright, the masses are coming together and turning on us, can't have it.. Let's reignite race wars to take the heat off us!", or if people just got sick of fighting over wealth all at once and felt it more suitable to fight over race/identity.. but I noticed very clearly a very rapid change of things shifting from class, economics, war (things that mattered to me) and towards race wars.. Bernie was sort of the last gasp of that movement, until the identity politics focused candidate (Hillary) was, unsurprisingly, pushed to the forefront.



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It's the money. The US has the biggest economy in the world so all the competing financial interests are playing absolute havoc on public opinion generating a thousand different subcultures that normally wouldn't grow so out of control.

The rest of the world only has small fry economies by comparison, so there's no point in generating the same mass misinformation they do in the states. No matter what type of nutjob you are, the states has someone trying to manipulate you through advertisements, news anchors, etc.

I honestly don't know what the solution is over there. Maybe the states are just too big. split it into a few countries and let them go their own way for awhile.

I personally just wanna let all the states do what they want. Conservatives will never be happy unless they have guns, and liberals will never be happy unless they put controls on guns. Let them both have what they want and let them see for themselves which is better.



Wiibaron said:
It isn't racist to want to live around people who look, act and do the same basic things you like to do. Blacks live around other blacks and Asians live around other Asians. Well, Japanese don't live around Chinese so maybe country/culture have a lot to do with your absolute choice to live where you feel like the 'norm'. Maybe because the US is so big and so full of so many different subsets of people, that it would be only natural to stick with what you feel comfortable with. Every major city has a Greektown, Chinatown, Polishville, Germantown, and on and on. The southern cities have Little Haiti and Cubatowns that are mostly those ethnic people. I grew up in Detroit area that has a Poletown [Hamtramck] and a Mexican Village and an area of mostly Chaldeans. Jewish people moved to a different county. In the UP of Michigan there are whole towns with all Finnish and Swedes. And the West part of MI is very Dutch and German. When the mass of immigration was flowing in the early 1900s those people mostly moved to where other former countrymen were already established to make it easy to assimilate. Melting pot means not as much as it used to. And I actually have known and worked with many former Brazillians in my years. Some were black, some were latin looking and even one I remember was very Caucasian to me. Different strokes makes for different folks...

Language and culture.  I can't believe I have to point that out.



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Kanye West's ignorant comment on social media: "Slavery is a Choice". Backlash followed with members of the African-American calling Kanye West an uneducated idiot.

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Dark_Lord_2008 said:

Kanye West's ignorant comment on social media: "Slavery is a Choice". Backlash followed with members of the African-American calling Kanye West an uneducated idiot.

He was talking about mental slavery, Sherlock. One thing is damn sure the left hates free thought and going off the reservation. 😹



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Aeolus451 said:
Dark_Lord_2008 said:

Kanye West's ignorant comment on social media: "Slavery is a Choice". Backlash followed with members of the African-American calling Kanye West an uneducated idiot.

He was talking about mental slavery, Sherlock. One thing is damn sure the left hates free thought and going off the reservation. 😹

That was him trying to backtrack the comment.  You don't say "400 years of slavery sounds like a choice" and then mean mental slavery.  If he meant mental slavery, what does 400 years have to do it with?  Especially given that "400 years" is a commonly stated time span for the slave era.  He directly referenced physical slavery.



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Aeolus451 said:
Dark_Lord_2008 said:

Kanye West's ignorant comment on social media: "Slavery is a Choice". Backlash followed with members of the African-American calling Kanye West an uneducated idiot.

He was talking about mental slavery, Sherlock. One thing is damn sure the left hates free thought and going off the reservation. 😹

I have no idea why you'd want to defend a comment like that.



Aeolus451 said:
Dark_Lord_2008 said:

Kanye West's ignorant comment on social media: "Slavery is a Choice". Backlash followed with members of the African-American calling Kanye West an uneducated idiot.

He was talking about mental slavery, Sherlock. One thing is damn sure the left hates free thought and going off the reservation. 😹

But it wasnt 400 years of mental slavery, it was literal slavery. If he was speaking in present tense it would make more sense.



SpokenTruth said:
Aeolus451 said:

He was talking about mental slavery, Sherlock. One thing is damn sure the left hates free thought and going off the reservation. 😹

That was him trying to backtrack the comment.  You don't say "400 years of slavery sounds like a choice" and then mean mental slavery.  If he meant mental slavery, what does 400 years have to do it with?  Especially given that "400 years" is a commonly stated time span for the slave era.  He directly referenced physical slavery.

Slavery in the US ended well before 400 years. He was obviously talking about the mentality of slavery or mental slavery. He's been tweeting about thinking freely as an individual before that over and over. People are intentionally cutting the quote short and misrepresenting what he said or was trying to say.



Aeolus451 said:
SpokenTruth said:

That was him trying to backtrack the comment.  You don't say "400 years of slavery sounds like a choice" and then mean mental slavery.  If he meant mental slavery, what does 400 years have to do it with?  Especially given that "400 years" is a commonly stated time span for the slave era.  He directly referenced physical slavery.

1). Slavery in the US ended well before 400 years. 2). He was obviously talking about the mentality of slavery or mental slavery. He's been tweeting about thinking freely as an individual before that over and over. People are intentionally cutting the quote short and misrepresenting what he said or was trying to say.

1). I know this but that's not the point.  I already told you that "400 years" is a commonly used time frame to reference the slave trade.  So why would just randomly use the same exact "400 years of slavery" phrase if he was only referring to "mental slavery"?

2).  I'll post his words for you because you sound you haven't actually heard/read them yet.

“When you hear about slavery for 400 years. For 400 years? That sounds like a choice. You was there for 400 years and it’s all of y’all. It’s like we’re mentally in prison. I like the word prison because slavery goes too direct to the idea of blacks.  Slavery is to blacks as the Holocaust is to Jews. Prison is something that unites as one race, blacks and whites, that we’re the human race.”

http://www.tmz.com/2018/05/01/kanye-west-tmz-live-slavery-trump/

He was directly speaking about physical slavery at that point.  So, no...we are not misrepresenting what he was trying to say.  But you are.



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