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We're not.  This is a narrative created by the supposedly oppressed that should be thankful every day that they get to live here and thrive in this country, as opposed to living in the dirt eating insects their entire lives.  Instead they complain.

 

It's reverse racism, caused by the minorities.



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LuccaCardoso1 said:
pastro243 said:
I just find funny their definitions of "races", like the bad usage of Caucasian as synonym for white, or being "hispanic". I have a white friend from argentina and she didn't know if she had to fill the caucasian answer or the latino one when she was asked.

I still don't exactly understand what "latino" should mean as a "race". Tecnically, latinos are people born in Latin America, but that's so damn broad! There are people born in Latin America from every ethnic group.

Yep. That´s exactly what latino means. People born in Latin America, or also people born in latin countries (countries that have a romance language as their primarly language)

I do understand what you mean when you use the word "racist".  Maybe "segregative" would be a better word to describe their approach toward "races".

I personaly don´t like to use the word "race" related to human beings, after all such thing does not exist. "Ethinicity" suits the matter much better. That said, I really think it´s kind of weird how the U.S. census identify people. Latino is by no any means an ethinicity, yet it´s considered as one there.

I also find kind of weird how many Americans tend to stick to their ethinicity group in most situations. When walking around any university campus, we see that people tend to stick to people of the same ethinicity, like, white with white, black with black, Asian with Asian etc. Sometimes you visit a church and there are churches almost exclusively frequented by black people, or latinos, or white people.  I´ve seen many, many Brazilians who studied there to report situations like this. 

Racism exist all over the world and in the U.S. it seems to be related only to ethnicity or "color". 

In our country, discussing racism feels complex because it´s not just a matter of ethinicity, but also a matter of social conditions  and sometimes even xenophobia. Overall our socitey do not really cares about ethinicity that much, so it´s tricky for us to understand the U.S. approach to that.



pastro243 said:
Heavenly_King said:

 "latino" is refered to latinamerican people, and that is all.  If you say to an Italian/Spaniard/French/Portuguese "latino" he will bitchslap you hahaha!!

I don't know, I'm aware it's one of the common uses, but last year I was in Italia and some guys called themselves latino. I think maybe saying it in english makes it more pejorative or something lol  

People from countries that use Romance languages - languages that came from vulgar latin - are latinos too. Please include Romanians, Mozambicans and Angolans in that group too. 



PSintend0 said:
"Your skin color doesn't make you behave a certain way or say certain things."

This is true, but if people are divided and treated differently according to skin color it can lead to that. That can create different cultures, habits, neighbourhoods and things that are connected to the skin color. And those things won´t always change quickly.
Same for example things that are viewed as feminine and masculine, for example certain colors and professions might be now viewed as feminine/masculine, but they might have been the other way around before. The thread about men being less talkative than women is a good example of that.

The short answer to op is history.

Some studies would show that woman will talk less objectively than a man, and also that south american will be less objective than a german for example.

Rayban99 said:

Why do people from countries with far more egregious human rights issues than the United States try to adopt a position of moral superiority when it comes to this topic? Is also a good question .

Brazil is probably at least as 'racist' as America but they are decades from even beginning to address an issue like this. America averages around 500 killings by police per year while Brazil is 3000.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism_in_Brazil

Yes Brazil is a very bad place on statistics, but the rampage criminality and homicides are off-topic.

jason1637 said:
The US is the most diverse country in the world so it makes sense to have people asked What race they are. Yeah there are communities of only white, asain, black or hispanics. There are also communities of people from certain countries. But this isn't racist that's just where people feel most comfortable living. Fortunately this has been going away so many communities are becoming more integrated. But yeah the US isn't racist.

Sorry not necessarily... In Brazil we have several of the biggest communities of migrants from several different countries... yet besides "liberdade" (which have a lot of asian people and now some brazil northeast), "Bras" and "Bexiga" (Italian) neighborhoods in São Paulo, there isn't any neighborhood that is know for a specific ethinicities... sure we do have the South with a lot of German but that is more like the whole city/state not a neighborhood segregation and is totally due to migration near the start of XIX-XX centuries.

Arminillo said:
Only country in the world so many different kinds of people live together. If you live in like Switzerland, and its 95% white people there's little to be racist about.

See above.

Salnax said:

So from what I can understand...

Comparisons between the Brazil and USA are valid in many regards. Comparable areas and populations, ended slavery latter in the 1800's, large surges of European immigrants around 1900, and so on.

Looking at it with lackluster knowledge of Brazil, I think that one benefit Brazil might have is the concept of a "Multiracial" group. In the USA, we've rarely ever acknowkledged one of these existing, outside of some recent censuses. Back in the day, somebody with mixed heritage in the USA was either treated as one race or the other, usually black or white, on a legal and social level. In Brazil, it seems the mixed race concept predated independence, and included aboriginal populations as well. Point being, there is a long social and legal history of races meeting, mixing, and so on. And it has historically been about as prominent as "White" Brazilians. In the USA, the binary continued until 1990, when the census first acknowledged that people with multiple races exist.

Thinking about it, even some things that improved quality of lives in the USA might have helped. Education of blacks in the USA from around 1870 into the 1950's was based around creating schools separate from those that taught white students. The black community largely supported this because they did not trust white teachers. And ultimately, these schools did a decent job at providing necessary education. But they closed no divides.

Yes Brazil have like 3 different names of typical old mixes... the white+black, white+indigenous, black+indigenous and that dating to 1500-1700.

Gamer147 said:
Easy answer. In other countries they are predominantly one race. Example in China is 99 percent Chinese. In other countries you also cannot stay for more than a month they kick you out if your not a citizen. Only in the US is there a diverse group of cultures. So more room for disagreements. Also US is least racist place when it comes to living. You can't live in other parts of the world without citizenship. I have friends who live in Sweden and Denmark but they were going to get kicked out after one month. They were only allowed to stay because they became dual citizens. US is much nicer in this regard they allow you to get work visas and other things. So in many respects United States is the least racist place.

Just USA? Look to any other country in America.

SuperRetroTurbo said:
If that's the way you view America... you're wrong.

There are plenty of racist people here but I can assure you... they're a minority.

Now if you were to use the term segregation...I would agree...but that concept can be attributed to practically all countries.

I can tell you from first hand experience...living in urban and suburban areas... there's a constant.

It never ceases to amaze me how black minority people in America...make the conscious decision to segregate themselves from other ethnicities...by congregation. You see it everywhere. Black people sit with black people on the bus. They form groups on campuses...places of business... recreational....all in such an ironic attempt to desegregate.

And that notion can be applied to all minorities in America. It can be applied to White people as well.

There are placed where actual racism is blatant...all over the world but you would be hard pressed to find a community in the US...that could match those blatantly racist places.

He is talking about segregation.

LuccaCardoso1 said:

Ok, this thread is getting completely out of control. People seem to completely skip what I wrote and just answer to the title, and that's not what I want.

You don't need to tell me that the racists in the US are a minority, I know that. I also know that the US houses many different cultures, I actually wrote that in my text.

What I am referring to in this thread is the practice of dividing people into different races, caring way too much about skin color as using that as a character-defining thing, even unconsciously. Everything seems to be defined by skin color over nationality, ethnicity, etc.

By the way, why are so many people getting defensive saying that "racism is not exclusive to white people"? I never said that. I even used an example of thinking skin color creates a certain behavior by black people in the op (but I guess no one read that).

People don't read post title in a very big percentage of times.

Paperboy_J said:
OTBWY said:
There's racism in all societies. Human beings are tribal creatures, no matter how "civilized" they claim to be. Singling out the United States is wrong.

There are definitely bad eggs within every group, and racism can certainly spread, but I don't think it's quite right or fair to just say "everyone is racist, deal with it."

Racism is taught, racism is learned.  Just look at children.  Kids don't see color AT ALL.  It's not until we get older that we become influenced by the world and begin to develop racial biases.  I don't think people are just inherently racist.

Racism is a taught/learned concept.  It's a vicious cycle that started a long time ago, born out of fear and greed, and is still going on today.

Everyone have prejudice, that is part of self protection in our DNA. So nope, racism is a type of prejudice and doesn't need to be taught.

VAMatt said:
As an American, I take a bit of offense to this OP. My experience shows me that we're, by and large, much less racist than the average citzen of earth.

I've had a fair amount of experience with European and Asian cultures. Compared to them, Americans are far, far less racist. Its not even comparable.

I've had a bit of experience with South and Central American cultures. While I agree that those cultures tend to ignore race more than Americans do, I think the difference is relatively small.

I have essentially no basis for comparison to Africans or Aussies.

You could read the OP.

StarOcean said:
Because people are insecure and uneducated. Until education becomes priority and is properly funded and religion dies the death it should have hundreds of years ago, racism will slowly cease.

Education is always the culprit... even places where we say the standards are high people on the country complain of the lack of priority, like Japan.

StarOcean said:
LuccaCardoso1 said:

Ok, this thread is getting completely out of control. People seem to completely skip what I wrote and just answer to the title, and that's not what I want.

Because people don't often read past the title, unfortunately.

You don't need to tell me that the racists in the US are a minority, I know that. I also know that the US houses many different cultures, I actually wrote that in my text.

They rarely read. Outrage culture is what most of these people live for.

What I am referring to in this thread is the practice of dividing people into different races, caring way too much about skin color as using that as a character-defining thing, even unconsciously. Everything seems to be defined by skin color over nationality, ethnicity, etc.

It's because many are uneducated. Especially those of the south. Trust me, I grew up in Texas, where the Civil Wars true intention is stopped at "states rights" and science is considered an optional opinion.


By the way, why are so many people getting defensive saying that "racism is not exclusive to white people"? I never said that. I even used an example of thinking skin color creates a certain behavior by black people in the op (but I guess no one read that).

White people who are insecure and more likely than not conservative, often get offended by the idea that a white person could be racist. Some here might even claim to be a different race to hold high validation of their opinion. 

All in all, you're on a site where the GAF politics rejects come to play. You won't find much constructive discussion here

Haven't even tried once to sign up to GAF

Dr.Henry_Killinger said:

The U.S is not inherently any more racist compared to other countries.

Rather, the United States has a history of trying to deal with uncomfortable things by pretending it doesn't exist. Pretending Racism doesn't exists exacerbates it. Combine this with the fact that the U.S is one of the most diverse nations on the planet, and the result is that there are more instances where diverse people interact and this suppressed racism can flare up.

In addition, Racism is not necessarily as tribalistic as most would argue it is. Rather it is used to justify institutionalized practices by appealing to the ego. For instance, consider Slavery, which on the surface seems motivated by Racism. As slavery is not unique to a specific "race", nearly every race has been enslaved at some time in history, a motivation of Racism isn't necessarily a justification.

Rather Racism served as, and can continue to serve as, a tool to justify immoral actions in pursuit of more concrete motivations. It is much easier to sugarcoat the pillaging and looting of valuable natural resources as "liberating the heart of darkness" and "bringing light and happiness to the savages".

You know that the more you talk about races and racism more conscious people are and keep it?

And reading OP would help.

Snoorlax said:
pastro243 said:

Being from Chile, I tell you we have that problem too. Having amerindian traits would put you under white people in the scale of social valoration, even if it's implicit and no one goes around beating people because of it. 

To be honest both Argentina and Chile come first to mind when were talking about racism in Latin America. Despite that it's embarassing how nationalistic all of these Hispanic nations are always trashing the neighbor countries, insulting their women, comparing themselves to European countries atleast that's the impression i get when i read forums, news or even on Youtube.

Simon Bolivar wanted a United Latin America and he failed, yet a certain Brazilian company actually made his dream come true with bribes.

Well in Brazil we do love to piss over Argentinian, but just joking =p

And I would say the 2 biggest multi national companies from Brazil "AB Imbev" and "Vale do Rio Doce" doesn't have cases of bribes as far as I know... but if you are talking about Latin America uniting in bribes, that I can agree.

dgboweniii said:

We're not.  This is a narrative created by the supposedly oppressed that should be thankful every day that they get to live here and thrive in this country, as opposed to living in the dirt eating insects their entire lives.  Instead they complain.

It's reverse racism, caused by the minorities.

Read OP, and there isn't reverse racism, black being racist against white is just as racist as white against black.

Rogerioandrade said:
LuccaCardoso1 said:

I still don't exactly understand what "latino" should mean as a "race". Tecnically, latinos are people born in Latin America, but that's so damn broad! There are people born in Latin America from every ethnic group.

Yep. That´s exactly what latino means. People born in Latin America, or also people born in latin countries (countries that have a romance language as their primarly language)

I do understand what you mean when you use the word "racist".  Maybe "segregative" would be a better word to describe their approach toward "races".

I personaly don´t like to use the word "race" related to human beings, after all such thing does not exist. "Ethinicity" suits the matter much better. That said, I really think it´s kind of weird how the U.S. census identify people. Latino is by no any means an ethinicity, yet it´s considered as one there.

I also find kind of weird how many Americans tend to stick to their ethinicity group in most situations. When walking around any university campus, we see that people tend to stick to people of the same ethinicity, like, white with white, black with black, Asian with Asian etc. Sometimes you visit a church and there are churches almost exclusively frequented by black people, or latinos, or white people.  I´ve seen many, many Brazilians who studied there to report situations like this. 

Racism exist all over the world and in the U.S. it seems to be related only to ethnicity or "color". 

In our country, discussing racism feels complex because it´s not just a matter of ethinicity, but also a matter of social conditions  and sometimes even xenophobia. Overall our socitey do not really cares about ethinicity that much, so it´s tricky for us to understand the U.S. approach to that.

Most of the cases in discussion nowadays in Brazil are just blowouts.



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DonFerrari said:

Snoorlax said:

To be honest both Argentina and Chile come first to mind when were talking about racism in Latin America. Despite that it's embarassing how nationalistic all of these Hispanic nations are always trashing the neighbor countries, insulting their women, comparing themselves to European countries atleast that's the impression i get when i read forums, news or even on Youtube.

Simon Bolivar wanted a United Latin America and he failed, yet a certain Brazilian company actually made his dream come true with bribes.

Well in Brazil we do love to piss over Argentinian, but just joking =p

And I would say the 2 biggest multi national companies from Brazil "AB Imbev" and "Vale do Rio Doce" doesn't have cases of bribes as far as I know... but if you are talking about Latin America uniting in bribes, that I can agree.

Surely you've heard of Odebrecht? It's a Brazilian company and it was the buzzword last year in every media outlet in all Latin America and it's bribes scandal was made public by the United States. You said it correctly as far as you know... Because for all we know there are political bribes going as were typing.



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Racism is universal, unfortunately.

Your are just getting confused with the largely aggressive vocal minority in america. Racism exist in Brasil, just the same. We are just not as loud and abnoxious.

I known a few people with racist beliefs where i live, hell my grandmother was openly one until she died last year (lovely person, by the way). The difference is that we as a society keep it at a low profile, especialy on the media.

Malt4zar said:
Racism is universal, unfortunately.

Your are just getting confused with the largely aggressive vocal minority in america. Racism exist in Brasil, just the same. We are just not as loud and abnoxious.

I known a few people with racist beliefs where i live, hell my grandmother was openly one until she died last year (lovely person, by the way). The difference is that we as a society keep it at a low profile, especialy on the media.

That much is obvious but what the OP is asking is why racism is so deeply rooted in the culture of the United States more so than in Canada and Brazil.



Snoorlax said:
DonFerrari said:

Well in Brazil we do love to piss over Argentinian, but just joking =p

And I would say the 2 biggest multi national companies from Brazil "AB Imbev" and "Vale do Rio Doce" doesn't have cases of bribes as far as I know... but if you are talking about Latin America uniting in bribes, that I can agree.

Surely you've heard of Odebrecht? It's a Brazilian company and it was the buzzword last year in every media outlet in all Latin America and it's bribes scandal was made public by the United States. You said it correctly as far as you know... Because for all we know there are political bribes going as were typing.

Oh my goodness... Odebrecht bribery schemes reached places even away from South America. It seems that some African politicians also made some good money with Odebrecht bribes..... a real multinational of bribery, breaking world records for Brazil. 

(sorry for being off-topic, but this is notorious)



LuccaCardoso1 said:
DarthMetalliCube said:

Wha? Where are you getting this assumption?

From my experience (at least in real life interactions), most of us Americans are no longer racist.. The only remaining racists in this country lie on the fringes of either the super old fogie conservatives who still cling to racism against non whites that was far more prominent 50-150 years ago, OR the crazy far left nuts (mostly millenials) who have taken a sort of reactionary position from white racism in the past and ironically become racists themselves but mainly become racist OF whites (because we're all apparently inherently "privileged," and larger % are apparently bigoted and thus deserve what all we get and aren't allowed to cry racism ourselves). Even though as a white man (well Italian Polish) I grew up in a lower-middle class family, am currently about 80k in debt, and despite applying to about 500 places in the past year and earning a masters degree, have yet to land a full time salaried job, I'm somehow inherently privileged because my skin tone has less melanin.

I have both sides of these schools of thought in my family which is immensely frustrating, but thankfully both of these extremes seem to be a dying breed (yes, even the more recent millenial anti-white racist phenomenon). The growing majority don't give a shit of the color of one's skin, ethnicity, gender, nor their heritage, and more seem to be placing more value on eachothers' character and ideas, which as a (mostly) libertarian definitely gives me some hope for this country.

Unfortunately its those 10% of loons that get all the attention, for one because they tend to be the loudest, being the most radical, but also because the media largely feeds this fire as it generates the most attention and thus the most revenue.

Oh god, did anyone read what I wrote? I'm not talking about the typical racism, where people openly say "I hate black people". I'm talking about caring too much about the skin color and using it as a means to define a person.

For example: "black culture". What does that tell me? Nothing at all! It's one thing to say like "christian culture", because being christian, a person will absorb the religion's culture and do things that the religion demands. You can say that Christmas is part of the "christian culture". But the term "black culture" makes no sense because black isn't an organization. Being black is just a genetic disposition that has nothing to do with one's behavior.

Then thats not really racism. You need to find a better word.



The united staates is not racist. It just depends where you live. People living in big Cities are more used to see people from ozher races or colours. Its the same here in switzerland, germany, austria and so on. People living in the Mountains in switzerland are more conservative than cosmopolitans. I am a jewish kurd. My wife is from albania. My brozhers wife from slovakya. My cousins. One is married with a swiss man, her brother is married to a swiss Woman. My other cousin is Married to a french man. That is completely normal. But if we would srill live somewhere in kurdistan we would still only marry someone who is a kurd. Thats just a cosmoplotian or not cosmopolitan thing.