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LuccaCardoso1 said:
DarthMetalliCube said:

Wha? Where are you getting this assumption?

From my experience (at least in real life interactions), most of us Americans are no longer racist.. The only remaining racists in this country lie on the fringes of either the super old fogie conservatives who still cling to racism against non whites that was far more prominent 50-150 years ago, OR the crazy far left nuts (mostly millenials) who have taken a sort of reactionary position from white racism in the past and ironically become racists themselves but mainly become racist OF whites (because we're all apparently inherently "privileged," and larger % are apparently bigoted and thus deserve what all we get and aren't allowed to cry racism ourselves). Even though as a white man (well Italian Polish) I grew up in a lower-middle class family, am currently about 80k in debt, and despite applying to about 500 places in the past year and earning a masters degree, have yet to land a full time salaried job, I'm somehow inherently privileged because my skin tone has less melanin.

I have both sides of these schools of thought in my family which is immensely frustrating, but thankfully both of these extremes seem to be a dying breed (yes, even the more recent millenial anti-white racist phenomenon). The growing majority don't give a shit of the color of one's skin, ethnicity, gender, nor their heritage, and more seem to be placing more value on eachothers' character and ideas, which as a (mostly) libertarian definitely gives me some hope for this country.

Unfortunately its those 10% of loons that get all the attention, for one because they tend to be the loudest, being the most radical, but also because the media largely feeds this fire as it generates the most attention and thus the most revenue.

Oh god, did anyone read what I wrote? I'm not talking about the typical racism, where people openly say "I hate black people". I'm talking about caring too much about the skin color and using it as a means to define a person.

For example: "black culture". What does that tell me? Nothing at all! It's one thing to say like "christian culture", because being christian, a person will absorb the religion's culture and do things that the religion demands. You can say that Christmas is part of the "christian culture". But the term "black culture" makes no sense because black isn't an organization. Being black is just a genetic disposition that has nothing to do with one's behavior.

Then thats not really racism. You need to find a better word.



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The united staates is not racist. It just depends where you live. People living in big Cities are more used to see people from ozher races or colours. Its the same here in switzerland, germany, austria and so on. People living in the Mountains in switzerland are more conservative than cosmopolitans. I am a jewish kurd. My wife is from albania. My brozhers wife from slovakya. My cousins. One is married with a swiss man, her brother is married to a swiss Woman. My other cousin is Married to a french man. That is completely normal. But if we would srill live somewhere in kurdistan we would still only marry someone who is a kurd. Thats just a cosmoplotian or not cosmopolitan thing.



Farsala said:
Brazil is still very different from the US.

USA is massive with a lot of different states. racism varies.

USA became a warfaring country. And after WW2 it is almost always against non whites. EX: Korean, Vietnam, Middle East

USA top 1% became the richest, while bottom 1% stayed the same.

Brazil is also massive, it's territory is larger then the USA Mainland.

"The contiguous United States would be placed 5th in the list of sovereign states and dependencies by area; the total area of the country, including Alaska and Hawaii, ranks fourth. Brazil is the only country that is larger in total area than the contiguous United States, but smaller than the entire United States, while Russia, Canada and China are the only three countries larger than both. The 2010 census population of this area was 306,675,006, comprising 99.33% of the nation's population, and a density of 103.639 inhabitants/sq mi (40.015/km2), compared to 87.264/sq mi (33.692/km2) for the nation as a whole.


Brazil also have a lot of states (exactly 27 and plans to divide some more) there are even 3 states bigger then the Texas (Amazonas, Pará and Mato Grosso)! They are all very different, also racism varies among them (Southern Region mostly european immigrants, Northern region mostly native americans, ...)

 



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Snoorlax said:
Malt4zar said:
Racism is universal, unfortunately.

Your are just getting confused with the largely aggressive vocal minority in america. Racism exist in Brasil, just the same. We are just not as loud and abnoxious.

I known a few people with racist beliefs where i live, hell my grandmother was openly one until she died last year (lovely person, by the way). The difference is that we as a society keep it at a low profile, especialy on the media.

That much is obvious but what the OP is asking is why racism is so deeply rooted in the culture of the United States more so than in Canada and Brazil.

 

It isn't.

 

https://youtu.be/7Kni_KvBhMI


Translated lyrics:


Black drama

Between the mud and the stalwart

Money, issues

Greed, Luxury, fame


Black drama

Bad hair

Dark skin

The injury, the sore

Looking for a cure


Black drama

He tries to see

But he sees nothing

Besides a far away and 

Shadowy star


He feels the drama

The price, the demands,

In love, in hate

The insane and constant vengeance


Black drama

I know who plays againt me

And who’s with me

The pain that always walks with me

So that I won’t end up just another fucked up black guy


Prison and favela

Graves, blood

Sirens, tears and candles..

 

a crude example, but it works to show how the Brazilian pop culture at the very least also embraces that disconnection between black and white.


but like i said in my last comment, this type of view don't exist as much in our media outlets nowadays since the Brazilian economy its the hot topic right now. In the USA, racism is more prolific on the past 2 years or so thanks to the shift in government i believe.

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Snoorlax said:
DonFerrari said:

Well in Brazil we do love to piss over Argentinian, but just joking =p

And I would say the 2 biggest multi national companies from Brazil "AB Imbev" and "Vale do Rio Doce" doesn't have cases of bribes as far as I know... but if you are talking about Latin America uniting in bribes, that I can agree.

Surely you've heard of Odebrecht? It's a Brazilian company and it was the buzzword last year in every media outlet in all Latin America and it's bribes scandal was made public by the United States. You said it correctly as far as you know... Because for all we know there are political bribes going as were typing.

I surely heard, but it is a lot smaller than both companies I cited and they aren't know for bribes. So AB Inbev was uniting Americas and being massive much earlier than the scandals =p

The bribe scandals were made public in Brazil much before than in USA, same with Petrobras.

Pagan said:

The united staates is not racist. It just depends where you live. People living in big Cities are more used to see people from ozher races or colours. Its the same here in switzerland, germany, austria and so on. People living in the Mountains in switzerland are more conservative than cosmopolitans. I am a jewish kurd. My wife is from albania. My brozhers wife from slovakya. My cousins. One is married with a swiss man, her brother is married to a swiss Woman. My other cousin is Married to a french man. That is completely normal. But if we would srill live somewhere in kurdistan we would still only marry someone who is a kurd. Thats just a cosmoplotian or not cosmopolitan thing.

Perhaps if you have read the OP you would have understood better the point.



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After scanning the US using google maps, I think I might know some reasons for all the racism.
1. The US has no flowers, it’s just a lot of dry looking grass and all their plants look washed out, not green enough. Maybe too much pollution.
2. All the buildings, fences, and everything is so randomly/haphazardly placed. Nothing logically or stylistically goes together, like children did all the city planning. It doesn’t look comfortable to be anywhere in the US. No feng shui.
3. There is trash EVERYWHERE, even abandoned cars just sitting on grass off the side of random roads.
4. No bike lanes or foot paths, people probably getting hit by cars ALL the time.
5. There are virtually no road signs, how do you know where you are?
6. There are flags all over the place, the people have trouble remembering what country they are in.
7. The speed limits are VERY slow.

I think all these things must make Americans very angry, and that is why they have all the racism.



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Ljink96 said:

That's what got the US where it is. It was literally built on racism. Some fine people in the mix, but still built by and on racism. Living in Indiana, one of the most racist states in the US, I still experience it often.

You've said this a couple of times lately of Indiana, and while I agree we are likely one of the more conservative states I just don't see racism here very often. 

If I recall correctly you live in Indy right?  i work in Lebanon just 30 miles north of you and we have mostly African-American (Nigerian-American predominately) Hispanics (mostly Mexican) and Whites out in our warehouse and by and far everyone is cool with everyone else.

What experiences have you had that make you think Indiana is SOOO racist " one of the most racist states in the US " (I think last time you called it THE most racist state)?

Sorry man I like Indiana and have liked pretty much all but two of the people I have met in my 41 years here.



LuccaCardoso1 said:

I've been thinking about this for the last few days, but I couldn't get to a conclusion to why (most) people from the United States are so racist. Racism seems to be embedded in US's culture. I say that as a Brazilian that has already lived in the US and experiences the country's culture almost daily.


Brazil and the United States have very similar historical backgrounds. Both were inhabited by natives before the Europeans arrived in the first half of the 16th century and have a history of slavery, where in both countries it was abolished in the second half of the 19th century. Today, however, while Brazil is known for its miscegenation of natives, africans, europeans and asians, the United States seems to have mostly maintained the division that existed before the Emancipation Proclamation.

For example: In Brazil, there are no such things as "black neighborhoods". Yes, in some places some ethnicities are more prevalent (that has to do with the lack of support the government gave to the ex-slaves once slavery was abolished and the recency of that event), but no one thinks of these places as "where black people live". There are no words that can only be used by one ethnicity, such as the N word in English. Also, "white culture" and "black culture" aren't really a thing. While rap in the US is mostly viewed as black culture, in Brazil it's simply culture. Some of the most important samba and funk singers are black, but that doesn't mean it's black culture. We see it as Brazilian culture.

I don't know, Brazil just seems much more integrated and patriotic than the United States in that regard (yes, I just said the United States is not very patriotic in a way).

This also has nothing to do with Democrats and Republicans. It has nothing to do with left or right-wing. It affects both sides. You know, all of those BuzzFeed videos such as "White Parents Who Raise Black Children" or "Things Our Black Moms Would Say" only exist because they think of black and white people as being fundamentally and culturally different. In Brazil, a video titled "Things Our Black Moms Would Say" would make no sense, because being black has nothing to do with the way you act.

I'm not calling you racist for being American. You are not guilty for doing things the only way you know to do them. I'm just trying to show you a different vision of the world and hopefully make you reflect about it.

EDIT: In this text, I used the word "racism" meaning "the act of diving people into races". It was the best word I could find to describe it.

My guess, looking from the outside, is that the civil war cemented "race" as a central part of US culture. As you say, that doesn´t mean that people are racist, because most are not. But it means that the US on a governmental and political level has an extreme obsession with skin color, "race" and origin of birth that I haven´t seen elsewhere in this way. Where I live, as a governmental entity, you are not even allowed to register ethnicity or skin color since those terms are extremely inaccurate (what is a "white" or "black" skin color for example?) and presume things about people based on their appearance.



Puppyroach said:
LuccaCardoso1 said:

I've been thinking about this for the last few days, but I couldn't get to a conclusion to why (most) people from the United States are so racist. Racism seems to be embedded in US's culture. I say that as a Brazilian that has already lived in the US and experiences the country's culture almost daily.


Brazil and the United States have very similar historical backgrounds. Both were inhabited by natives before the Europeans arrived in the first half of the 16th century and have a history of slavery, where in both countries it was abolished in the second half of the 19th century. Today, however, while Brazil is known for its miscegenation of natives, africans, europeans and asians, the United States seems to have mostly maintained the division that existed before the Emancipation Proclamation.

For example: In Brazil, there are no such things as "black neighborhoods". Yes, in some places some ethnicities are more prevalent (that has to do with the lack of support the government gave to the ex-slaves once slavery was abolished and the recency of that event), but no one thinks of these places as "where black people live". There are no words that can only be used by one ethnicity, such as the N word in English. Also, "white culture" and "black culture" aren't really a thing. While rap in the US is mostly viewed as black culture, in Brazil it's simply culture. Some of the most important samba and funk singers are black, but that doesn't mean it's black culture. We see it as Brazilian culture.

I don't know, Brazil just seems much more integrated and patriotic than the United States in that regard (yes, I just said the United States is not very patriotic in a way).

This also has nothing to do with Democrats and Republicans. It has nothing to do with left or right-wing. It affects both sides. You know, all of those BuzzFeed videos such as "White Parents Who Raise Black Children" or "Things Our Black Moms Would Say" only exist because they think of black and white people as being fundamentally and culturally different. In Brazil, a video titled "Things Our Black Moms Would Say" would make no sense, because being black has nothing to do with the way you act.

I'm not calling you racist for being American. You are not guilty for doing things the only way you know to do them. I'm just trying to show you a different vision of the world and hopefully make you reflect about it.

EDIT: In this text, I used the word "racism" meaning "the act of diving people into races". It was the best word I could find to describe it.

My guess, looking from the outside, is that the civil war cemented "race" as a central part of US culture. As you say, that doesn´t mean that people are racist, because most are not. But it means that the US on a governmental and political level has an extreme obsession with skin color, "race" and origin of birth that I haven´t seen elsewhere in this way. Where I live, as a governmental entity, you are not even allowed to register ethnicity or skin color since those terms are extremely inaccurate (what is a "white" or "black" skin color for example?) and presume things about people based on their appearance.

At least someone read the OP =]



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ironmanDX said:
Sure. Most of them damn racists voted in Obama. Pretty outrages claim.

 

Obama won 95% of the black vote and 75% of the hispanic vote. Proof that racism not only exists, but that racism is more of an issue among "non-whites".

Hell, I could run for president and not win 95% of my own family's vote!