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vivster said:
That's like the first coherent post I've seen from you here. Well done. I admit that I thought you were on the opposite site on the spectrum. Unless this is a joke thread. If so, shame on you.

I agree with your points. I think the argument to own guns just to defend yourself from the government is ridiculous. Especially in the US where gun ownership isn't only in the constitution but the government loves gun ownership as a political talking point. Surely gun control wouldn't be to suddenly subdue all people and enact an evil plan they had for so long but couldn't because a few people had handguns.

It's just a stupid strawman argument so people can keep their useless cock extensions.

And the first coherent response I've had from you. Bravo.



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Aeolus451 said:
Could you not insult pro-gun people right off the bat? I don't think you're interested in a conversation on this topic.

I'm not trying to insult pro gun people. I genuinely do want to know why the response from many Americans to the suggestion of gun control is so passionately negative.



Locknuts said:
Aeolus451 said:
Could you not insult pro-gun people right off the bat? I don't think you're interested in a conversation on this topic.

I'm not trying to insult pro gun people. I genuinely do want to know why the response from many Americans to the suggestion of gun control is so passionately negative.

Then don't conflate pro-gun with gun nut and liken people who support the 2nd Amendment to a church of worshipers. It makes me questions the point of this.



Nope. I'm all for stricter laws, waiting period, and a license. I'd love to have an AR15 for the sake of it. No real reason just want one. It sucks that other people have to ruin it for the rest of us. Any school shooters should be treated as a terroirst and put to death imo. I also don't agree with storing your ammo in one location and the gun in another. Now I have to worry about getting to 2 areas of my house if I have a break in? Lmfao.



Only in America can a monkey go into a store and buy a gun. Beggars belief.



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GoOnKid said:

I wonder. If guns truly are meant to rise against a tyrannical governement, why the fuck did nobody rise against Ajit Pai and his idiocy? His stupidity would cause severe damage to one facet of freedom of all US citizens and might even affect the rest of the world as well. Yet nobody stood up against him. So is it all talk and nothing more?

Please do not interpret this as me saying someone should threaten that guy. That's not what I mean.

I know right... ever since the FCC voted to repeal Net Neutrality back in December, the internet has turned into a Mad Max style wasteland,websites are getting shut down left and right, YouTubers are jumping out the window, dogs and cats living together, mass hysteria!

Oh wait.. none of that happened.  The internet is doing just fine, just as it was doing before Obama's FCC implemented its archaic "net neutrality" rules.  Private innovation and entrepreneurship is what made the internet what it is today, not the government treating it like it's a phone company from the 1930s.



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You know I was always wondering why no one ever used the dollar sign for $ony, but then I realized they have no money so it would be pointless.

Locknuts said:
vivster said:
That's like the first coherent post I've seen from you here. Well done. I admit that I thought you were on the opposite site on the spectrum. Unless this is a joke thread. If so, shame on you.

I agree with your points. I think the argument to own guns just to defend yourself from the government is ridiculous. Especially in the US where gun ownership isn't only in the constitution but the government loves gun ownership as a political talking point. Surely gun control wouldn't be to suddenly subdue all people and enact an evil plan they had for so long but couldn't because a few people had handguns.

It's just a stupid strawman argument so people can keep their useless cock extensions.

And the first coherent response I've had from you. Bravo.

Don't copy my words. Bravo!! 



No becauae i am living accoeding to FOX&Friends and the NRA in the communist totalitarian regime of Switzerland.

 



Locknuts said:

I have noticed that since Donald Trump even suggested putting gun control on the table as a possibility, the second amendment people have flipped out. 

My question is this: If the US government made it more difficult to buy semi-automatic rifles, would that really make it any more difficult to rise up against a tyrannical US government? Let's be real here - if they're coming for your guns, they're not sending in the local Sheriff to get shot. It's the most powerful military on earth coming to your suburb with everything at its disposal (tanks, jets and nuclear weapons).

You've probably already lost the ability to rise up against tyranny. Even if you haven't, a militia of 10-20 million shotgun, pistol and single shot action rifle toting men descending on Washington isn't going to be much less effective than if those same people had semi-automatic rifles.

 

That third paragraph is something gun rights advocates don't really consider when saying the 2nd amendment is needed as a check against governments. As a Brit, I feel safer knowing that the odds of me coming across a guy with a gun are very slim, compared to being in American where any nutter I look at the wrong way may take up the issue with his pistol.

As for the self-defence argument, I think you could reasonably say a pistol is for self-defence, maybe a shotgun if it's kept at your home, but assault rifles and semi automatics are weapons of war not defensive tools.

The US will not change it though. The NRA will not allow you to have a grown-up debate about it. Stopping even legislation that restricts the mentally ill getting access to gun is just plain insane. Also, the US has so many guns that to reduce the scale of the problem you probably would need to take away at least some of them - and clearly that wouldn't go down well.



The 2nd amendment has a lot of significance here in America, but these days it's almost more on a cultural/symbolic level than anything. We have this sort of anti-government, anti-establishment cultural fiber ingrained in our society and the idea that the general public can have the right to be armed plays a part in that. On a practical level I think it's getting lost and restrictions should be put in place to accommodate the dynamics of modern times, and it's pretty ridiculous to think we'd have any chance to stand against the government in firepower, but I do still understand and respect our 2nd amendment. Still much more an advocate of the 1st (freedom of speech), but the 2nd is part of the fabric of our society and shouldn't be tampered with, lest we start to lose our own identity as Americans.

On another level, our gun culture I think comes from our hunting nature, and the fact that the large land mass of the US doesn't always enable those in the "flyover" areas in particular to come running to the police when trouble arises. This is where having your own weapons come in handy here, when the cops can't scramble over to assist you in a crisis within minutes.

To make clear, I'm no advocate of guns by any means, but at the same time, I can somewhat see where the love of guns comes from in our country in comparison to others.

Unfortunately, we've always been something of a violent country culturally speaking, and one that thrives on this mentality of "me vs you," which, when combined with the relative ease of accessing high-powered firearms (along with the massive distribution of mind-altering psych meds) can produce the recipe for disaster, but I do believe that the guns in and of themselves aren't necessarily the problem.



 

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