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Delta and United join list of companies to cut ties with the NRA - maybe this truly is the end of gun rights in the US?

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Y'all ridiculous putting a weapon over a life and then justifying it with "well what if we MIGHT need it..." Innocent people are being killed and that is very real and not something that might happen but is happening. Stricter gun laws are the way to go.



 

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spurgeonryan said: 

 

I think the government wants us to lose our gun rights. That way as soon as they can they will have total control of us. Only reason we have any freedom in America is due to guns. There are ways to handle this, sometimes when I see how easy it is to get a gun I laugh. Just fix the laws.

The irony in this, law enforcement gets militarized and is conditioned accordingly. 

 

 

"Only reason we have any freedom in America is due to guns."

 

Recently i read a similar comment by a man living in Mexico. The difference, there was comprehensible truth to his words.



Hunting Season is nigh...

EnricoPallazzo said:
Nem said:

Like... what country has loads of weapons and nothing happens? That is just false.

Switzerland? Israel?

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/maps-and-graphics/mapped-the-countries-with-the-most-guns/

It has been linked in this thread already. It's not even comparable.

Also, switzerland would be the only country in that list that has nothing to fear from their neighbours alongside the USA.  USA have more than double. Switzeland is a small country of educated people with alot of big banks and wealth to protect. It's not even a spec compared to the nonsense that is the USA, a country with 40 times more population.



EnricoPallazzo said:

Yes but not in those mass shootings right? To kill a lot of people in a short time, which seems to be the case with the mass shootings and what actually causes all the discussion, you need a machine gun, assault rifles, etc or whatever.

Why are mass shootings special? Mass shootings make up about .02% of homicides, why should we care about them and not the other, more preventable, deaths? 

Furthermore, I recommend reading my response to Final-Fan a few posts about yours about this conflation of "assault rifle" with weapons that are legally own-able. 



I think the American civil war should be a clear example for everyone that, just because you have the right to bear arms, it doesn´t mean you have good intentions.



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I don't think it will be the end. This has happened before. The NRA does it's thing, but gun control is usually a losing issue for gun grabbers as a whole. My boycott list grows too and mine are for life. There are tens of millions of gun owners.



What is the totality of violent crime in all countries? What is the per capita? Why does a murder count less in totality when committed with a knife or bare hands?

What is the kill count of governments in the 20th century?

 

From my point of view, I'm putting my family and their lives and the means to at least have a chance to resist or protect ourselves. I'm not placing the gun itself above a life.

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o_O.Q said:
the-pi-guy said:

Most people aren't needlessly malevolent.  The vast majority of people tend to be decent.  

The point is that people who are educated can vote for what is actually best for them.

"Most people aren't needlessly malevolent.  The vast majority of people tend to be decent.  "

everyone is malevolent and decent at the same time to varying degrees

no one is decent 100% of the time

you mean to tell me that you've never done an evil act knowing at the time that it as wrong?

you'd be the first human being that has accomplished that i'm sure

I've never stolen from anyone, never murdered anyone, never done drugs, never threatened anyone, etc. 

What evil acts do most people do?  



sc94597 said:
EnricoPallazzo said:

Yes but not in those mass shootings right? To kill a lot of people in a short time, which seems to be the case with the mass shootings and what actually causes all the discussion, you need a machine gun, assault rifles, etc or whatever.

Why are mass shootings special? Mass shootings make up about .02% of homicides, why should we care about them and not the other, more preventable, deaths? 

Furthermore, I recommend reading my response to Final-Fan a few posts about yours about this conflation of "assault rifle" with weapons that are legally own-able. 

They are special because they bring a LOT of attention, and because usually is related to kids, just it.

I love both volumes of the book "Freakenomics", the first one has a chapter about what is more dangerous to kids in USA, guns or pools. It happens that more infants die because they walked into the swimming pool with no one noticing and died than infants died because they found their dad gun and killed someone, maybe another house infant, with the gun.

And I agree with you, the other deaths are much more relevant in number. But the point is nobody cares if a lot of people died in drug lords wars, but when 20 kids die inside a school, of course, everybody gets shocked.



Puppyroach said:
McDonaldsGuy said:

Yeah you're right. This obviously explains why dictatorships are well known for letting their subjects own guns.

The first thing Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, Xi, ZeDong, etc. etc. allowed the people to do was own guns because what can their guns do against tanks right?

If you give up one right, you give them all up. The reason you have free speech is because America has the right to own guns.

If there is one thing the civil rights movement and the liberation of India shows, is that it´s not the weapons that are the threat to dictators, but rather the will of the people. 

I wish I could be as idealistic as you.