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Razeak on 27 February 2018

What is the totality of violent crime in all countries? What is the per capita? Why does a murder count less in totality when committed with a knife or bare hands?

What is the kill count of governments in the 20th century?

 

From my point of view, I'm putting my family and their lives and the means to at least have a chance to resist or protect ourselves. I'm not placing the gun itself above a life.

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EnricoPallazzo on 27 February 2018
sc94597 said:
EnricoPallazzo said:

Yes but not in those mass shootings right? To kill a lot of people in a short time, which seems to be the case with the mass shootings and what actually causes all the discussion, you need a machine gun, assault rifles, etc or whatever.

Why are mass shootings special? Mass shootings make up about .02% of homicides, why should we care about them and not the other, more preventable, deaths? 

Furthermore, I recommend reading my response to Final-Fan a few posts about yours about this conflation of "assault rifle" with weapons that are legally own-able. 

They are special because they bring a LOT of attention, and because usually is related to kids, just it.

I love both volumes of the book "Freakenomics", the first one has a chapter about what is more dangerous to kids in USA, guns or pools. It happens that more infants die because they walked into the swimming pool with no one noticing and died than infants died because they found their dad gun and killed someone, maybe another house infant, with the gun.

And I agree with you, the other deaths are much more relevant in number. But the point is nobody cares if a lot of people died in drug lords wars, but when 20 kids die inside a school, of course, everybody gets shocked.



McDonaldsGuy on 27 February 2018
Puppyroach said:
McDonaldsGuy said:

Yeah you're right. This obviously explains why dictatorships are well known for letting their subjects own guns.

The first thing Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, Xi, ZeDong, etc. etc. allowed the people to do was own guns because what can their guns do against tanks right?

If you give up one right, you give them all up. The reason you have free speech is because America has the right to own guns.

If there is one thing the civil rights movement and the liberation of India shows, is that it´s not the weapons that are the threat to dictators, but rather the will of the people. 

I wish I could be as idealistic as you.



TranceformerFX on 27 February 2018
Puppyroach said:
I think the American civil war should be a clear example for everyone that, just because you have the right to bear arms, it doesn´t mean you have good intentions.

Uh..yeah...way to insert the Civil War as an example on a topic that has nothing to do with gun control - both in context or relevance...



EricHiggin on 27 February 2018
Final-Fan said:
EricHiggin said:

Not even if it was the last restaurant chain on the planet? How would you impress a date enough to bring them back for some VR 'relations'?

I would just have to survive on all the cheese. 

Buckets of it lol.



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Puppyroach on 28 February 2018
TranceformerFX said:
Puppyroach said:
I think the American civil war should be a clear example for everyone that, just because you have the right to bear arms, it doesn´t mean you have good intentions.

Uh..yeah...way to insert the Civil War as an example on a topic that has nothing to do with gun control - both in context or relevance...

Ofcourse it has everything to do with gun control since the confederacy viewed the legitimate government as a tyrannous government that they had to resist. Their reason for this opposition was horrible but that doesn´t change the fact that the 2nd amendment was already deeply rooted in society. The confederate army was also mostly a voluntary one where citizens contributed with different supplies, including weaponry.



o_O.Q on 28 February 2018
the-pi-guy said:
o_O.Q said:

"Most people aren't needlessly malevolent.  The vast majority of people tend to be decent.  "

everyone is malevolent and decent at the same time to varying degrees

no one is decent 100% of the time

you mean to tell me that you've never done an evil act knowing at the time that it as wrong?

you'd be the first human being that has accomplished that i'm sure

I've never stolen from anyone, never murdered anyone, never done drugs, never threatened anyone, etc. 

What evil acts do most people do?  

wow, so you're a completely moral person? you've done an act that you you could cause harm and went through with it anyway?

well goodness the christians have been waiting for your return for years now and yet here you are... its a pleasure to meet you

"What evil acts do most people do?  "

lol do i really need to go into this? i mean really?



o_O.Q on 01 March 2018
the-pi-guy said:
o_O.Q said:

wow, so you're a completely moral person? you've done an act that you you could cause harm and went through with it anyway?

Why would I do something that causes someone harm?

What kind of weird world do you live in?

lol do i really need to go into this? i mean really?

Yes really, because I want to know what evil acts everyone does.  I want to know what your moral bar is.  

"What kind of weird world do you live in?"

uh reality i guess? where everyone is to some extent malevolent?


"Why would I do something that causes someone harm?"

this argument is starting to take a really infantile turn... ok why do people hurt other people?

i mean you do acknowledge that people harm other people right?

and you are from the same species correct? which means that whatever causes people to harm other people is also present in you

unless you think you are somehow a unique case out of the entire species

 

"yes really, because I want to know what evil acts everyone does.  I want to know what your moral bar is.  "

ok i'd say that lying is an example that's pretty frequent