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If too much cheese would lead to lactose intolerance, I'd have to be a walking fart factory.



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Kaneman! said:
If too much cheese would lead to lactose intolerance, I'd have to be a walking fart factory.

And aren't you one?



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

DonFerrari said:
Kaneman! said:
If too much cheese would lead to lactose intolerance, I'd have to be a walking fart factory.

And aren't you one?

Not that I know.



Kaneman! said:
DonFerrari said:

And aren't you one?

Not that I know.

Sometimes after a good all you can eat barbecue I'm a very damn good fart factory.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

Kaneman! said:
DonFerrari said:

And aren't you one?

Not that I know.

Maybe instead of producing manly farts you produce lots of female style micro-farts, too high pitch in frequency for people to hear.



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bonzobanana said:
Kaneman! said:

Not that I know.

Maybe instead of producing manly farts you produce lots of female style micro-farts, too high pitch in frequency for people to hear.

SO that is why women think they don't fart.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

zygote said:

The trending thought is that everyone is lactose intolerant, but some are within the threshold or have healthy enough systems to handle it [...]

I more or less agree with your point on dairy products, even though that has probably to do a lot with how dairy cattle is raised and how the milk itself is processed to produce cheese and other diary products. But be careful when you include "fats" in the "bad foods" category. If you know what you're doing, you can eat a lot of fats and still be healthy and lean...assuming you eat the "right" fats and a lot of veggies. Fats are not bad per se, this is a myth born from old (and totally wrong) beliefs that have been debunked by recent research. Sometimes, this misinformation is due to commercial reasons...like low-cholesterol foods, low fat food and so on. Ironically, you forgot to mention the one thing that probably caused the surge of nutrition-based diseases in the last century: (refined) carbs.

What is really damaging for the body is the combination of carbs and fats...and I'm pretty much convinced by now that sugar is a poison, plain and simple. I do everything I can not to ever touch it. There's just too much evidence about that.

Last edited by last92 - on 28 February 2018

Farsala said:
Does that mean half a billion animals fewer are being born too? After all no need for them to the industry.

Exactly. We do not hunt for cows, pigs, chickens or sheep, we breed them for meat.

The point is - people eat less meat therefore are healthier.



Bristow9091 said:

I actually eat meat every single day, I don't remember the last time I had a meal that didn't have some sort of meat in it... and I don't think that will be changing any time soon either, lol. I don't mind people going veggie or vegan, as long as they don't try to make me feel bad for eating meat, it's what our fathers did, and our father's fathers, and our father's father's fathers, and our farther's father's farther's fathers, and our farther's fa-okay that's enough, no need to make a Monty Python reference, lol.

The fact that our fathers did it is a poor reason to do anything.  Should someone justify being a white supremacist because their father was, and their grandfather, and their great, great, great grandfather was a slave owner?  Things change.  People's attitudes on meat are beginning to change with it.  About 6% of North Americans now identify as vegans.  About 50% of germans are eating reduced-meat diets compared to what they ate previously.  About 10-15% of the country of Israel has gone vegan now, and rising quickly.

Besides, unless you come from a very wealthy family tree, it's unlikely that your "farther's father's farther's fathers..." ate a lot of meat.  High consumption of meat is pretty recent for humans, as in the last few generations only.  Until relatively recently, people simply couldn't afford much meat (and if they could, they would usually choose to spend that money on other things).  Traditionally, most humans ate mostly plants.  This isn't a matter of debate, by analyzing the remains of human hair, by rehydrating fossilized human stool, and more, we can see what people used to eat.  There's a reason that humans on plant-based diets tend to have the lowest rates of disease, and people on high meat/dairy/egg diets tend to have the most disease.  Humans must eat plants (otherwise we get scurvy), but eating meat is optional (and increasingly seen as undesirable when it comes to optimal health).

I don't say any of this to "make [you] feel bad", but you took the time to offer your rationale for your choice so I think that makes it fair game for people to comment on.  So if you choose to eat meat every day, just understand that you're not making a normal/natural choice, you're actually making a choice that flies in the face of most of our evolution.

Last edited by scrapking - on 28 February 2018

last92 said: 

I more or less agree with your point on dairy products, even though that has probably to do a lot with how dairy cattle is raised and how the milk itself is processed to produce cheese and other diary products. But be careful when you include "fats" in the "bad foods" category. If you know what you're doing, you can eat a lot of fats and still be healthy and lean...assuming you eat the "right" fats and a lot of veggies. Fats are not bad per se, this is a myth born from old (and totally wrong) beliefs that have been debunked by recent research. Sometimes, this misinformation is due to commercial reasons...like low-cholesterol foods, low fat food and so on. Ironically, you forgot to mention the one thing that probably caused the surge of nutrition-based diseases in the last century: (refined) carbs.

What is really damaging for the body is the combination of carbs and fats...and I'm pretty much convinced by now that sugar is a poison, plain and simple. I do everything I can not to ever touch it. There's just too much evidence about that.

I agree with almost everything you say here, with one asterisk:  when it comes to sugar, it's only refined sugar that is a poison.  You can eat fruit salads three meals a day and not get fat, not get diabetes, etc.  If you eat sugar in its natural, absolutely unrefined form, with plenty of fibre to slow the absorption, you'll do just fine.  The human populations that eat the most fruit have some of the lowest rates of diabetes, cancer, obesity, etc.

The research about refined carbohydrates has convinced me that flours and refined sugars are a poison and I avoid them.  However, I also avoid refined fats (olive oil, etc.) as I'm equally convinced those are problematic.  And the World Health Organization has confirmed that all meat probably causes cancer, and that processed meats (any meat that is smoked, cured, grilled, or processed in any way) definitely causes cancer.  So I agree with you that refined carbohydrates are a problem, but the research is that bad fats are the predominant cause of diabetes and that consumption of animal protein is tightly correlated to many cancers, so the preponderance of the best and most independent research suggests that reducing consumption of both animal products and refined carbohydrates is a plus for health.

I don't generally find the combination of unrefined fat and unrefined sugar to be a problem, I see no problem adding nuts or seeds to a fruit salad for example.

Really, eating whole foods is your only choice for optimal health.  Which isn't exactly mind-blowing, since we evolved eating mostly whole foods.  Not a lot of flour or hot dogs on the African savannah, after all.

Last edited by scrapking - on 28 February 2018