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bonzobanana said:
Meat substitutes could become cheaper than real meat in the future and I can see meat being in decline long term. I try to reduce meat consumption and must admit have great admiration for vegans and vegetarians. Those that do it for moral reasons I feel are a higher form of life than the rest of us low life b**t**ds. Occasionally I even come across a meal which I prefer the vegetarian option. Here in the UK there is a chain of pubs called wetherspoons and I prefer their vegetarian breakfast to their standard breakfast for example. I actually prefer chicken flavoured crisps that are vegetarian (fake chicken flavour) to those that have real chicken flavouring (roast chicken flavouring).

I have had for a lifetime a full "vegetarian" breakfast as this is the culture in brazil... a bread, butter/margarine, milk or juice.

This is a typical english breakfast. The sausages would be replaced by vegetarian sausages and a few things removed and others added to make it vegetarian. I think many in the UK would more likely have cereal for breakfast or just toast but I think many would have this occasionally.



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Gamer147 said:
More plants getting killed. So it’s a wash.

Even if you don't make a distinction between animal and plant life, one kilogram of meat requires a lot more "plant-killing" than getting the same nutritional values from plants. So actually, eating less meat also leads to fewer plants being killed. If you want to go that route...



Another point: we are only looking at the total number of animals but modern farm animals have been created to be extra meaty so one modern fat chicken could have more meat than 2 old school lean chicken.

Also this study isolates numbers from 2007 to 2012, while numbers went up again in 2015.

http://www.humanesociety.org/news/resources/research/stats_slaughter_totals.html?referrer=http://www.collective-evolution.com/2017/11/27/half-a-billion-fewer-animals-were-killed-since-2007-because-people-are-eating-less-meat/



bonzobanana said:

I have had for a lifetime a full "vegetarian" breakfast as this is the culture in brazil... a bread, butter/margarine, milk or juice.

This is a typical english breakfast. The sausages would be replaced by vegetarian sausages and a few things removed and others added to make it vegetarian. I think many in the UK would more likely have cereal for breakfast or just toast but I think many would have this occasionally.

I'm aware of it... and in USA people would have bacon with the eggs =]

Teeqoz said:
Gamer147 said:
More plants getting killed. So it’s a wash.

Even if you don't make a distinction between animal and plant life, one kilogram of meat requires a lot more "plant-killing" than getting the same nutritional values from plants. So actually, eating less meat also leads to fewer plants being killed. If you want to go that route...

Sorry man, depend on what you produce... after the land is prepared the green for the cow to eat isn't killed every time the cow eat.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

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Ka-pi96 said:
zygote said:

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Sounds like those people need to make "learning to cook" a new trend or something then

Oh and the "get lactose intolerance from eating too much cheese" thing just sounds made up. I've never heard of that happening before.

The trending thought is that everyone is lactose intolerant, but some are within the threshold or have healthy enough systems to handle it. Usually if you are young enough to not have destroyed your system prior. But the more cheese and dairy you eat the more it messes with your system and causes lots of issues. Basically everything is bad for you if you only eat enough of it. If you nothing but pizza between the ages of 18 and 30, then there is a very good chance after that, your system will not be able to handle cheese anymore. Same goes with sugar, fat, etc. Your body is a physical thing and, just like any physical thing, will wear out if you overuse it, though same could be said for underuse as well.The problem is that most all food offerings out there are almost exclusively high in fat, cheese, sugar, etc.

I have a friend who never had a problem with dairy. Always ate pizza and other things fine. Then got into a relationship with someone who was always eating cheese items. I’m talking every night it was pizza or fettuccine alfredo or broccoli cheese casserole or baked mac n cheese, etc. He did that for just a year and then suddenly his abs started convulsing and now at the age of 28, cannot have cheese anymore and is on the verge of having his colon removed.

Last edited by zygote - on 26 February 2018

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Ka-pi96 said:
zygote said:

Great. We definitely need more food options in general.  Glad to see there are options without meat, but what about more low fat content, low sugar, no cheese, etc.  A lot of current trends cause problems for people's health.  Too much sugar leads to diabetes.  Too much cheese leads to lactose intolerance.  Too much fat leads to gall stones.  Too much of all of those together and meat leads to IBD issues, heart attack, stroke, obesity, etc.  There should be more variety at all restaurants to accommodate the health of customers.

I'm not an advocate for never eating meat, but the current landscape of restaurants right now is high fat, high saturated fat, high sugar, cheese, meat, etc.  If you don't eat fast food for a while and then grab some fries, the lack of quality and nutrition in them can almost make you sick.  If the vegan, vegetarian movement is creating awareness in what we eat in any way, then I'm all for it.  I'd say that with past patterns, most everyone over the age of 30 is going to end up with a rough road ahead of them; there is more to life than the 15 years between 15 and 30.

Sounds like those people need to make "learning to cook" a new trend or something then

Oh and the "get lactose intolerance from eating too much cheese" thing just sounds made up. I've never heard of that happening before.

He is probably mixing things up on the lactose intolerance (as in there is similar to allergenic that it will only trigger after a certain age or you get more sensitive with exposure)

Ka-pi96 said:
DonFerrari said:

I'm aware of it... and in USA people would have bacon with the eggs =]

They'd have bacon in the UK too. Having it without.... is just madness! :O

Then the picture was lacking =p

zygote said:
Ka-pi96 said:

Sounds like those people need to make "learning to cook" a new trend or something then

Oh and the "get lactose intolerance from eating too much cheese" thing just sounds made up. I've never heard of that happening before.

The trending thought is that everyone is lactose intolerant, but some are within the threshold or have healthy enough systems to handle it. Usually if you are young enough to not have destroyed your system prior. But the more cheese and dairy you eat the more it messes with your system and causes lots of issues. Basically everything is bad for you if you only eat enough of it. If you nothing but pizza between the ages of 18 and 30, then there is a very good chance after that, your system will not be able to handle cheese anymore. Same goes with sugar, fat, etc. Your body is a physical thing and, just like any physical thing, will wear out if you overuse it, though same could be said for underuse as well.The problem is that most all food offerings out there are almost exclusively high in fat, cheese, sugar, etc.

I have a friend who never had a problem with dairy. Always ate pizza and other things fine. Then got into a relationship with someone who was always eating cheese items. I’m talking every night it was pizza or fettuccine alfredo or broccoli cheese casserole or baked mac n cheese, etc. He did that for just a year and then suddenly his abs started convulsing and now at the age of 28, cannot have cheese anymore and is on the verge of having his colon removed.

The trends seem to always be changing and going back to the same place.

Perhaps you don't know that the population that is most lactose intolerant are the Asians (a lot among japanese) and the main explanation is that for the previous several gen they weren't drinking cow milk and dairies so their system got unused to it so nowadays they are the most part of the intolerant population.

What you are pointing at seems more like allergies, where some types the person will only trigger at a certain age or due to continuous exposition. Also everyone reacts different so it may not even be some type of abuse.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

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http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

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How dare those Vegans eat the food that my food eats!!!



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Eagle367 said:
Vegans and vegetarians seriously think it's unethical to kill animals for food? And killing [lants is a ok because vegans and vegetarians decided they are lesser beings. I am opposed to cruelty and senseless killing of any being whether plant animal insect or even bacteria. I hate when people kill spiders and Anta needlessly. But did not one ever teach them about the circle of life? They seriously need to watch lion king. Call it God's plan or evolution and selection but for better or worse we are omnivores. The truth of the matter is vegans don't get all the essential proteins in the right quantity unless they eat a lot of soy or something like that or take supplemens. They even have to supplement vitamin b12 because plants don't have bacteria that make them. And supplement fat soluble vitamins as well. There's nothing wrong with that but claiming moral high ground is wrong I think. The only valid point they have is helping the environment and frankly it's up in the air if that actually does help or not because it's not simple addition you have to account for a lot of factors and I have not read up on a lot studies that prove that it's better. If science shows that it is then at least they have something but otherwise this whole holier than thou attitude is throughly unwarranted and completely ridiculous

I think a lot of people who are vegan or veggie relate it to the poor treatment farmed animals undergo, mostly related to the insane high demand for meat and the demand for cheap meat. The harmful impact on the ecosystem and things which are required to rear and feed this animals including insane amount of anti-biotics and hormones which all comes back to effect us. Many people go on vegan or reduced meat diets to improve their health.

In the same way that you value human life over an insects, it makes sense that many people make distinctions between cows and chickens as they do from insects, plants, bacteria. Ethics is complete subjective, I don't think the modern example of a vegitarian claims a moral high ground but they may feel better about themselves knowing they support one less destructive industry and they're responsible for less animal deaths.

Last edited by Otter - on 26 February 2018

I've been vegetarian for three years (most days I eat 100% vegan, but somedays I eat cheese or egg products). My health has honestly gotten worse. I was told that sometimes it takes a while to get better and I eat based on a dietary analysis. I was super healthy before going vegan so that isn't the issue. I used to be able to function on 2-3 hours of sleep a day. Now I need a lot more and I crash. I thought maybe it's Iron, but I adjusted for that. At this point idk if I'll stay vegetarian. I'll give it another year, but the first year was okay because it was less vegan I guess. Now I really feel fatigue on an almost constant basis. I have not once since becoming vegetarian broken it and as I stated most days I eat entirely vegan. There were two times that I ate food that touched meat, but I felt inclined due to the circumstances. I do not value the animals over myself so if this doesn't change then I'm going back to a more happy omnivore diet.



deskpro2k3 said:
How dare those Vegans eat the food that my food eats!!!

And how dare they take the land my cow could be getting fatter to produce lettuce....

teamsilent13 said:

I've been vegetarian for three years (most days I eat 100% vegan, but somedays I eat cheese or egg products). My health has honestly gotten worse. I was told that sometimes it takes a while to get better and I eat based on a dietary analysis. I was super healthy before going vegan so that isn't the issue. I used to be able to function on 2-3 hours of sleep a day. Now I need a lot more and I crash. I thought maybe it's Iron, but I adjusted for that. At this point idk if I'll stay vegetarian. I'll give it another year, but the first year was okay because it was less vegan I guess. Now I really feel fatigue on an almost constant basis. I have not once since becoming vegetarian broken it and as I stated most days I eat entirely vegan. There were two times that I ate food that touched meat, but I felt inclined due to the circumstances. I do not value the animals over myself so if this doesn't change then I'm going back to a more happy omnivore diet.

Since your health is worse and you don't really care about the politics and "consciousness" of the veggies/vegans why are you still going to try for another year?

I can understand people that started this diet to become (and have) healthier or because they are against death of animals, but for someone to do it becoming less healthy and without really bothering about the deaths is a first (outside of course of people that do it because partner demands).



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."