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Half A Billion Fewer Animals Are Being Killed Every Year Since 2007 As People Eat Less Meat

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Bristow9091 said:
Medisti said:

Just wanted you to know, man. I stopped and had a burger in your honor earlier. Tasty cow. It told me your are solely responsible, too. For murdering the cow. The tasty, dead cow.

Fuck sake, I read this and now I REALLY want a burger or two... think I know what I'm having for dinner! :P

We should all strive to be like the true hero of the people

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don_Gorske



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Kaneman! said:

How do you live? I can only survive on 75% carbs.

I eat mostly fats and the required amount of proteins. Then a little % of carbs that comes exclusively from veggies. Broccoli, cabbage, salad, tomatoes and leafy greens in general. It's not really necessary to do this to stay healthy, I just started doing it because I was curious (it's called ketogenic diet btw) and it's working very well for me, so I'm sticking with it. Switching from carbs to fats is not so hard. Fats have more calories than anything else and really fill your stomach since they have a high satiating power, so getting to your needed 2000Kcals or so is very easy. But still, you can have your carbs if you want. Just try to eat non-refined carbs. Those are very unhealthy and the main cause of several deseases linked to hormonal disfunctions (like diabetes...). White bread, refined sugar, white pasta and pizza...those are all bad for your body. Try to switch to whole grain stuff. 

However, when I said that the combination of fats and carbs is unhealthy I meant that eating them together in a single meal is not a good idea. Of course the worst thing you can do to your body would be eating fat heavy sweets. Fats+sugar is simply toxic. This has been known for a while now. Clearly, this doesn't mean you can't touch that stuff ever again. But you should be cautious about what you put in your body at least.

Oh, and by the way fruits are fine because they contain a lot of vitamins and minerals, so even if they have some sugar it's no big deal. 

Last edited by last92 - on 01 March 2018

Meat free since mid last year. So I did my small part.



scrapking said:

last92 said: 

I more or less agree with your point on dairy products, even though that has probably to do a lot with how dairy cattle is raised and how the milk itself is processed to produce cheese and other diary products. But be careful when you include "fats" in the "bad foods" category. If you know what you're doing, you can eat a lot of fats and still be healthy and lean...assuming you eat the "right" fats and a lot of veggies. Fats are not bad per se, this is a myth born from old (and totally wrong) beliefs that have been debunked by recent research. Sometimes, this misinformation is due to commercial reasons...like low-cholesterol foods, low fat food and so on. Ironically, you forgot to mention the one thing that probably caused the surge of nutrition-based diseases in the last century: (refined) carbs.

What is really damaging for the body is the combination of carbs and fats...and I'm pretty much convinced by now that sugar is a poison, plain and simple. I do everything I can not to ever touch it. There's just too much evidence about that.

I agree with almost everything you say here, with one asterisk:  when it comes to sugar, it's only refined sugar that is a poison.  You can eat fruit salads three meals a day and not get fat, not get diabetes, etc.  If you eat sugar in its natural, absolutely unrefined form, with plenty of fibre to slow the absorption, you'll do just fine.  The human populations that eat the most fruit have some of the lowest rates of diabetes, cancer, obesity, etc.

The research about refined carbohydrates has convinced me that flours and refined sugars are a poison and I avoid them.  However, I also avoid refined fats (olive oil, etc.) as I'm equally convinced those are problematic.  And the World Health Organization has confirmed that all meat probably causes cancer, and that processed meats (any meat that is smoked, cured, grilled, or processed in any way) definitely causes cancer.  So I agree with you that refined carbohydrates are a problem, but the research is that bad fats are the predominant cause of diabetes and that consumption of animal protein is tightly correlated to many cancers, so the preponderance of the best and most independent research suggests that reducing consumption of both animal products and refined carbohydrates is a plus for health.

I don't generally find the combination of unrefined fat and unrefined sugar to be a problem, I see no problem adding nuts or seeds to a fruit salad for example.

Really, eating whole foods is your only choice for optimal health.  Which isn't exactly mind-blowing, since we evolved eating mostly whole foods.  Not a lot of flour or hot dogs on the African savannah, after all.

Life expectancy on African Savannah is the hallmark everyone is aiming



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

scrapking said:
Stefan.De.Machtige said:

Not only did they eat much meat. Those guys ate perhaps 5 to 10 times more meat.

Brave lads, we can't measure up to those guys .

Ummmm....   got a link for that?  Because I can cite a tonne of sources that say otherwise, including analysis of mummified human hair and rehydration of fossilized human stool that doesn't leave much to the imagination about what people ate in times gone by.  All the evidence I've seen suggests your statement is categorically false.  It is true that meat consumption has dropped in a few countries over the last generation or so, which is positive, but it's nowhere near the 80-90% drop you suggest.  I can't see any way in which your statement could be correct, unless you're talking an incredibly short span of time, and an incredibly tiny geographic area that bucked the global trend.

EDIT:  I see in a follow-up post you said prehistory.  Now we know you're incorrect.  It's a myth that hunter-gatherers mostly hunted.  Most hunter-gatherer populations mostly gathered and had diets rich in plant foods.  This isn't a matter of debate, you can look at mummified hair and analyze it to get a sense of their diet.  Ditto when you find fossilized human stool.  A whole food vegan diet is more paleo than the so-called "paleo diet".

Prehistorical also had a very long aged live.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

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scrapking said:
Cobretti2 said:
Interesting numbers wonder were as here no one I know has changed their diet in the last 5 years lol.

must be some hidden carnivore tribes that went to vegan instead of omnivore lol.

Vegans and vegetarians grew from 2.6% of the population in Israel in 2010, to 13% in 2014 (and appears to have grown even more since then).  (source: https://www.jta.org/2014/10/15/life-religion/israelis-growing-hungry-for-vegan-diet)

I'm not sure where you are, but veganism is estimated to have grown 500% in the U.S. between 2014 and 2017.  (source: https://www.riseofthevegan.com/blog/veganism-has-increased-500-since-2014-in-the-us)

You asked for where the change is coming from, and those are a couple of examples.  :)

I was more refering to friends and work colleges lol, but thanks for taking the time to respond. Good to know some facts.



 

 

I like playing a game where each time a vegan says the word vegan, i add a strip of bacon to the frying pan.



Medisti said:
Bristow9091 said:

Fuck sake, I read this and now I REALLY want a burger or two... think I know what I'm having for dinner! :P

We should all strive to be like the true hero of the people

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don_Gorske

And still alive... how many vegans have died before 70y?



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

DonFerrari said:

And still alive... how many vegans have died before 70y?

To be honest, there's no one right and healthy way of eating.

Vegans that do not know anything about nutrition may have serious health problems (in fact, this has happened already) while other vegans that pay attention to their nutrients requirements do not. Similarly, people eating too much meat while completely ignoring vitamins and minerals may have serious problems, but eating meat is not bad per se. There are a lot of examples of countries with very high life expectancy where meat is consumed regularly. It all depends on what other things you eat together with your meat. Vegans stating that meat is bad period just don't know shit about nutrition. However, it is important to eat healthy meat...unfortunately, many people just eat junk meat from animals raised in awful conditions.



last92 said:
DonFerrari said:

And still alive... how many vegans have died before 70y?

To be honest, there's no one right and healthy way of eating.

Vegans that do not know anything about nutrition may have serious health problems (in fact, this has happened already) while other vegans that pay attention to their nutrients requirements do not. Similarly, people eating too much meat while completely ignoring vitamins and minerals may have serious problems, but eating meat is not bad per se. There are a lot of examples of countries with very high life expectancy where meat is consumed regularly. It all depends on what other things you eat together with your meat. Vegans stating that meat is bad period just don't know shit about nutrition. However, it is important to eat healthy meat...unfortunately, many people just eat junk meat from animals raised in awful conditions.

I do agree with all you said =]



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994