I’m looking forward to seeing this. I’ve heard nothing but good things, and I’m planning on seeing it later this week.
thismeintiel said:
TLJ is actually going to end up ~$730M-740M behind TFA. Which is ~$80M more than JL's take. Pretty bad when they were most likely only expecting to be down by ~$250M-$350M, which BOM called the "safe bet." Though, I don't agree with your assessment of IW's chances at the BO. Avengers:AOU passed Iron Man 3 by ~$190M WW. Don't see why IW can't at least match that. Especially when it has pretty much everyone's fave MCU characters in it. As long as the movie isn't godawful like JL, which I don't think any MCU has been, or seem like a total clusterfuck, I think it has a good chance to have a great BO result. There's a chance it could beat the OG Avengers, but even if it doesn't, I doubt it will be much below it. |
I think 10% more or less Avengers 1 is still flat if ignoring inflation.
There seems to be a barrier between 1.2bi and 1.5bi. I can't see a movie that is not a light in a bottle success with people all over the world crossing Jurassic World numbers.
Quality is not much of a factor when you see Iron Man 3 and AOU performance.
So far I haven't see anything new or exciting about IW. Of course Disney marketing machine can grind everything into an must see event.
But who am I to judge? Im getting old and I have realized I'm not the target audience any more.
CosmicSex said:
Well yes lol. I think credit has to be given to the director and Disney for making it a great movie overall. One thing I don't agree with are the assessments that the movie was a celebration of 'black culture'. The reason I say this is because while the movie does do some VERY clever things with American black culture, this is more African culture. I think that was one of the movies greatest strengths. The heavy African culture I mean. Black folks are as veried as the day is long and too often, we only see one aspect of it. This was different and it works to great effect. The criticism of the assessments I am making isn't literally but just a play on the words 'black culture'. I am saying there are different forms. |
I agree. There is a major difference between African Culture and African American culture. Africa is a massive continent and sub-Sahara culture is pretty much never shown. I think drawing on that was smart.
End of 2009 Predictions (Set, January 1st 2009)
Wii- 72 million 3rd Year Peak, better slate of releases
360- 37 million Should trend down slightly after 3rd year peak
PS3- 29 million Sales should pick up next year, 3rd year peak and price cut
thismeintiel said:
TLJ is actually going to end up ~$730M-740M behind TFA. Which is ~$80M more than JL's take. Pretty bad when they were most likely only expecting to be down by ~$250M-$350M, which BOM called the "safe bet." Though, I don't agree with your assessment of IW's chances at the BO. Avengers:AOU passed Iron Man 3 by ~$190M WW. Don't see why IW can't at least match that. Especially when it has pretty much everyone's fave MCU characters in it. As long as the movie isn't godawful like JL, which I don't think any MCU has been, or seem like a total clusterfuck, I think it has a good chance to have a great BO result. There's a chance it could beat the OG Avengers, but even if it doesn't, I doubt it will be much below it. |
TLJ was never going to make as much as TFA. TFA was a generational event. Perfect storm. No competition. 30+ years of pent up demand for original cast. etc.
Jumaniji is the a huge difference here. TFA went up against a bad Chipmunks movie that was pretty much panned. Jumanji looks to be one of the biggest surprises ever. Probably will hit 400 million.
Combine the fact that TFA had more pent up demand and hype with the added competition of Jumanji and I think what TLJ did was respectable. Not great. But good enough.
End of 2009 Predictions (Set, January 1st 2009)
Wii- 72 million 3rd Year Peak, better slate of releases
360- 37 million Should trend down slightly after 3rd year peak
PS3- 29 million Sales should pick up next year, 3rd year peak and price cut
bigjon said:
TLJ was never going to make as much as TFA. TFA was a generational event. Perfect storm. No competition. 30+ years of pent up demand for original cast. etc. Jumaniji is the a huge difference here. TFA went up against a bad Chipmunks movie that was pretty much panned. Jumanji looks to be one of the biggest surprises ever. Probably will hit 400 million. Combine the fact that TFA had more pent up demand and hype with the added competition of Jumanji and I think what TLJ did was respectable. Not great. But good enough. |
No one said it was going to. But, it also shouldn't be down $730M+. No competition? TFA had plenty of competition. Daddy's Home and The Revenant were larger hits, opening higher than Jumanji (which opened lower than $38M), and you had smaller hits like Sisters, The Big Short, The Forest, and Ride Along 2 in mid-January (TFA still went on to make $84M more at the DBO after that weekend.) Kung Fu Panda 3 also came out in late January, which could have helped stop it dead, but it still went on to do another ~$40M at the DBO. The difference? TFA was actually competition for them. One of the big reasons Jumanji has done so well is that TLJ didn't put up much of a fight. Fans were disappointed by it and needed something else to watch. This is what helped Jumanji outgross TLJ by $77.2M at the DBO in January.
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Saw Black Panther, it's terrific. Possibly the best Marvel film.
This just in:
The movie has now passed The Last Jedi for second biggest opening at $242 million
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/box-office-black-panther-climbs-historic-242m-bow-record-monday-1086456
I will have to post all of the broken records later.
| CosmicSex said: This just in: The movie has now passed The Last Jedi for second biggest opening at $242 million https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/box-office-black-panther-climbs-historic-242m-bow-record-monday-1086456 I will have to post all of the broken records later. |
I think we have another TLJ on our hands, because foreign markets will likely be unkind to this film.
We all know why.
Insidb said:
I think we have another TLJ on our hands, because foreign markets will likely be unkind to this film. We all know why. |
Wait why? So far they have been modest, Earning just over the domestic gross. Also, the critical reviews everywhere seem to be generally more positive than TLJ.
CosmicSex said:
Okay so you guys have to accept that everyone is different and you can't define people's reasons for enjoying something. I read your comments and shake my head like 'who actually thinks about these things' then I realize that you are different. You are groomed to question peoples reasoning and have to hold it up to what you think they should like or want to see. And thats okay. You think differently. Just apply that to folks who really think that way. A young business lady in my town got into comics and superheros after watching Xmen and seeing Storm. To her, she never saw people like herself in the genre and that gave her a greater appreciation for the genre overall. While I might not get it or experience the same thing, I recognize it as a valid thought process and perspective. Likewise, if I dismissed you being flabergassed, It would be because I am too close minded to accept that you have a different perspective. All is well :) |
I’m just saying that there have been many films in the past that featured lead roles that weren’t straight white males, and many of those have seen box office success. To pretend like Black Panther and Wonder Woman are these brand new phenomenon is to continue the false rhetoric that the west are mostly horrible racist bigots, and we need to constantly have that hammered into our skulls until we feel guilty and become submissive. Here’s my 2 cents: enjoy a film for what it is. If the film features non-straight white male leads, and that helps others enjoy it, cool. However, that doesn’t need to become some sort of metric of quality. For me, I thoroughly enjoyed both and I’m a straight white male. If a film’s good, it’s good; if it sucks, it sucks. Our entertainment doesn’t need to become a silly political or race-fueled farce. There’s enough of shit on our daily newsfeeds to last 10 lifetimes.
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