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Forums - Politics Discussion - Delaware students can now choose their own race (Yes, RACE!) under new regulations.

fatslob-:O on 24 February 2018
PSintend0 said:

The world is not black and white and the taxonomic system is by no means perfect. All of its boundaries are not clearly cut, but it still serves a purpose and is meaningful. As for races the different populations of human species are just too similar to each other, they are nowhere near meeting the minimum criteria for mammal species for having races.

No, no ... 

What is "meaningful" is purely subjective and there is a valid evolutionary history as outlined by Rosenberg to biologically group these human populations ... 

The so called "criteria" is worthless too if these exceptions exist hence why there is no "hard" rule as to how groups may be defined ... 

PSintend0 said:

Its just so and isn´t up to you, its up to the scientific community, who (not all but many) by the way started studying human genetics with the assumption that there would be races and all kinds of different attributes like intelligence being higher with white people when compared to black people. That was not the case and science moved on as it should. Science is based on the most recent information and tries to adapt to better explain the world around us.

And it's not up to Marxist ideologists like yourself to determine what the scientific community can or can't rule ... (that is why liberals are dishonest when it comes to the subject of genetics and should just stick to just climate science and it should instead be the alt-right that funds genetics research more often)

As for your other half of the paragraph and independent study published by the APA says https://www.mensa.ch/sites/default/files/Intelligence_Neisser1996.pdf+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ca">otherwise ... 

PSintend0 said: 

Evolution is often very slow and it takes time for races to form and from them to form new species. This also doesn´t only go in one way and isolated populations may start to become less isolated and mix more with other populations making them more similar again.

One of the classifications of a species is that different species cannot produce offspring that are able to reproduce. Two closely related species can sometimes still reproduce, but the offspring cannot reproduce (for example mule).

The concept of human race has much more to do with history and politics than biology. Its really quite interesting.

This is not entirely true, there are most definitely fertile offsprings produced by 2 different species such as the polar bear/grizzly and let's not forget that humans used to do interspecies breeding with the Homo Neanderthalensis and possibly the Homo Erectus. It's one of the many reasons why geneticists are able to order populations such as those with Sub-Saharan ancestry having the least amount of neanderthal DNA while those with East Asians/Oceania ancestry have the highest concentrations of neanderthal DNA ... 

If the concept of human race couldn't be biologically ordered then then there wouldn't any evidence for it and it would be the end of discussion but what's more is that the vast majority of current evidence so far has yet to be discredited ... 



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Leadified on 24 February 2018
fatslob-:O said:

And it's not up to Marxist ideologists like yourself to determine what the scientific community can or can't rule ... (that is why liberals are dishonest when it comes to the subject of genetics and should just stick to just climate science and it should instead be the alt-right that funds genetics research more often)

This is a joke, right?



fatslob-:O on 24 February 2018
Leadified said:

This is a joke, right?

Half of it is since it's ironic and as for the half, there's obvious political roadblocks to research ... 



JWeinCom on 24 February 2018
Jon-Erich said:
SuaveSocialist said:
About 20 school shootings in America this year, but apparently having the choice over which box to check on an application form is crossing the line. Social Conservatives need to stop playing Identity Politics and start coming up with solutions to problems that actually exist.

The school shooting statistic is a bunch of bs because of how school shootings are classified. For example, one of those "school shootings" turned out to be some guy who committed suicide in his car that was parked near a school that had been closed for 7 months at the time. Basically, any incident involving a gun going off within the vicinity of what the government considers a school zone is considered a school shooting. It doesn't matter if the shooting took place in the school. It doesn't matter if school is in session. In the case of the suicide guy, it doesn't even matter if the school is currently operational or not. 

 

As far as colleges go and this SJW crap, I think it is morally wrong for an institution of education to deny objective truth and allow students to lie to themselves. However, I take a free market stance on this. If they're privately run, they can do as they please. However, if they receive any kind of government handout, then they should have to abide by some kind off standard. Personally, I don't think they should receive any handout and should have to compete. 

Then I'll pose to you the same question I've yet to have answered.  If you think the way Delaware is entering their data on race is immoral, what better way do you propose?  Besides the student themselves and their family, I don't see who else would be qualified to provide this information, and this system allows the school to use either or to report on race.



Aeolus451 on 24 February 2018
AngryLittleAlchemist said:
Aeolus451 said:

20 school shootings? That's a flat out lie. Conservatives don't care about identity politics because they don't pander to groups based on race, sex or sexuality like the left does in the states does.

Literally the entire point of a party system is to pander to identity politics. It's the entire foundation of  the system ... which do you identify with. Besides, just go on any Fox news broadcast and you'll hear at least : 3 digs at CNN's ratings, 6 roundabout jokes about feminism, and 2 different ways of making white people feel like victims. If that isn't subtle identity politics than I don't know what is.

John2290 said:

I hear this 20 number a lot. Same as in early 2017 and 2016, lots of misinformation going about after every big school shooting. Anyway, have you thought that raising your kids NOT to shoot up schools and get to the route of the problem that way might be a better idea than using it as a flag to shame others talking about "lesser issues".

What? This doesn't even make sense. Everyone knows not to shoot up schools. You don't have to be specifically raised to believe so. Is this just sarcasm to make a point?

No, it's not. Each party is ideologically different. A party can focus identity politics if they want. Dems are because they want votes. The republican party and libertarian party don't care about identity politics. 



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SuaveSocialist on 24 February 2018
John2290 said:
SuaveSocialist said:
About 20 school shootings in America this year, but apparently having the choice over which box to check on an application form is crossing the line. Social Conservatives need to stop playing Identity Politics and start coming up with solutions to problems that actually exist.

I hear this 20 number a lot. Same as in early 2017 and 2016

Damn, the US has a lot of school shootings.  Best freak out over putting a check in a box, though.  That's the real life-and-death issue in American schools.



SuaveSocialist on 24 February 2018
John2290 said:
SuaveSocialist said:

Damn, the US has a lot of school shootings.  Best freak out over putting a check in a box, though.  That's the real life-and-death issue in American schools.

There, I fixed that so it retains context.

Awesome.  The context of my reply remains unchanged.  Thanks for pointing out just how many school shootings the US has; that really strengthens my position.  



Aeolus451 on 24 February 2018
SuaveSocialist said:
John2290 said:

There, I fixed that so it retains context.

Awesome.  The context of my reply remains unchanged.  Thanks for pointing out just how many school shootings the US has; that really strengthens my position.  

Actually, the amount you mentioned is false too.



SuaveSocialist on 24 February 2018
Aeolus451 said:
SuaveSocialist said:

Awesome.  The context of my reply remains unchanged.  Thanks for pointing out just how many school shootings the US has; that really strengthens my position.  

Actually, the amount you mentioned is false too.

Actually, the amount I mentioned is accurate.  18 rounds up to 20 (and I said, QUOTE: "about 20", you can scroll up and see for yourself) , and there have been 18 verified school shootings in the US as of Feb 20th.

https://www.abc15.com/news/data/school-shootings-in-u-s-when-where-each-shooting-has-occurred-in-2018



Aeolus451 on 24 February 2018
SuaveSocialist said:
Aeolus451 said:

Actually, the amount you mentioned is false too.

Actually, the amount I mentioned is accurate.  18 rounds up to 20 (and I said, QUOTE: "about 20", you can scroll up and see for yourself) , and there have been 18 verified school shootings in the US as of Feb 20th.

https://www.abc15.com/news/data/school-shootings-in-u-s-when-where-each-shooting-has-occurred-in-2018

Those are not the actual number of school shootings in the way people think of school shootings. Alot of things are being included into that to fluff it up for a narrative that's false. It misrepresents facts.