They may have been pressured to do it, but ultimately they made the decision based on what they thought would make them most money. No one has the ability to force them completely against their will.

@ bolded

Yeah, because it was much better in the 60s when drivers had a 1 in 3 chance of surviving their careers through no fault of their own. 11 circuits had their lap records set in 2017 so that's bullshit. That includes some of the old classic circuits like Spa, Silverstone, Brazil and Monaco.

Also, if they didn't move to V6 hybrid engines then a lot of manufacturers wouldn't be bothering to supply engines as they wouldn't be relevant to anything outside of F1. F1 has to stay up to date or else they risk the whole sport dying for a small core of "purists".

Sure they didn't had a gun against their heads... but the "brand value" and "societal norms" is pretty indicatives that it wasn't because they wanted to, but because pressure groups were against them and they folded...

And as always in those cases I pray for a very big backlash and loss of profits for they to see that a mouthful minority isn't their market and listening to them will only make they less money.

Maybe I should remind you that it was you who first replied to my comment. I'm not changing the subject at all - everything I've written here has been connected to what I originally started discussing with Mummelman, which you joined in on when you replied to me. If the only thing you wanted to say is that there will be fewer grid girl jobs now than before, then we don't need to have this discussion. We agree. There absolutely will be fewer grid girl positions as a result if this. What I view as the essence of this discussion is if that is a problem or not.

Could you explain how it's a poor argument?

Not everything I write is a direct response to something you've said. Surely that's understandable. When I say "as long as the follow laws and regulations", I do that to cover all bases. Because a company isn't always in their right to fire someone. I try to be precise in my wording, so I included that, if not, the statement would be incomplete. It was never meant as an implication that you meant otherwise. And it has nothing to do with pivoting the argument to something else.

I didn't equate grid girls to telegraphists. I did however draw a comparison because some sides are similar (ie. neither job is "banned", just that companies evaluate that the position isn't worth it for whatever reason. In the telegraphist case, that reason was technological advancement, in F1's case, it appears to be an assessment of societal norms and what the public likes and dislikes. I already explained this).

Oh, it absoluely will lead to fewer positions for grid girls. But I don't see the problem with that. Demand for any job can go up and down. So? I'm not beating around the bush. What's with the passive-agressiveness?

Every for-profit business ultimately makes every decision based on what they evaluate as being in their best interest (maybe with the exception of some privately owned businesses where the owner(s) attempt to use their business as a vehicle for change. SpaceX probably belongs in that category, or at least did belong there. If Formula 1 belongs in that category, then this becomes a different discussion, because then F1 wasn't pressured by outside groups to do this.)

This includes F1. Of course they might be mistaken in their evaluation, as obviously no company makes only flawless decisions. So there absolutely is a possibility that this will end up hurting F1 financially, but the F1 owners wouldn't make this decision unless they thought it would benefit them.

Yup, it is totally fair for you to disagree and criticize F1's decision. I haven't said otherwise. Even though I don't agree with said criticism, you are free to do criticize as much as you want, and if enough people share your sentiment, F1 might have to reconsider their decision.

If this will lead to a massive loss of profit because of huge backlash, this just means that F1 has poor leadership and lacks understanding of their market. And the leadership should be held accountable for that.

But I think that in that case, you should criticize F1 for listening to said minority, not criticizing the minority for voicing their opinion. They're the ones calling the shots after all.

I think that particular fallacy is used to lazily counter an argument too often and in arguments where there's some kind of proof or circumstances that show something might happen. This is certainly the work of sex-negative feminism. I think his point is what is the ultimate goal with pushing for things like this. It is a good question to ask. There's a growing support of islam among feminists.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/gabby-aossey/muslims-are-the-true-feminists_b_9877692.html

How is it going to make them less money? It's not like the grid girls in F1 were much in the way of eye candy as in other motorsports. The whole dress code in recent years was a lot less revealing/sexualised than in the 90s and they were still making tons money.

Grid girls were only ever a small part of the spectacle and it'll probably save them money not having to pay them by replacing them with free volunteers they get in the kids/mascots.

Can someone link the video in the OP? I can’t see it on my iPhone.

Be aware of any feminism activity specially the ones related directly to the americans. Demons could manifest in anyform from male homosexuals to old mature women. This people is negative and just want to drag foolish people into their negative ways. Also your individual karma have an importat part into this afairs. Those who are spiritually advance just ignore this kind of groups, but just don’t be deceived for those who are going to suffer degradation as species as spiritual beings after death.

Just like Marvel, DC and Sony have regarding their comics and movies that tried to please vocal minorities and were met with huge losses on those try outs.

Some people on marketing have been working to promote their agenda and ideals instead of the company best interest.

I can criticize whoever I want, even more when said minority will name call people that don't agree with them as misogynists, rappers, bigots, etc. And sure the F1 leads deserve criticism as well. Still people that doesn't even make the market for that product going there to cause ruckus deserve a lot of criticism.

Take your own advise on creating a new F1 championship with grid girls and deliver to those groups for they to create their own without instead of messing around where they have no stakes. Public like or don't care about the grid girls, the girls like the job, the racers and companies were ok with it, so it is a clear case of external meddling.

If part of the public decides to boycott against the change or the girls start mass suiting they could lose money.