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o_O.Q said:
Otter said:

No one is saying objectification is the devils work and needs to be wiped from society, but many people feel that sexually motivated positions and roles should not placed in sport which ultimately have nothing to do with sex and a wide demographic audience including families. Just because someone thinks naked woman shouldn't be on page 3 of the UK's biggest newspaper, it doesn't mean they think porn should be illegal.

The fact that we're even comparing a strip club to an F1 event should make the point very clear.

this doesn't make sense, how can you be against the objectification of women and not be against the production of porn? and even beyond that to a lesser degree modelling?

What about amateur porn though? Porn that is produced by themselves willingly with no financial incentive seems to me like it'd be a choice rather than something that they're forced into doing.



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Otter said:
A_C_E said:

1. How is the outright banning of actions of women in the Grid/F1 payroll an encouraging endeavor? Taking away choices is not encouragement of due course and these ladies just lost their jobs because 3rd wave feminists care more about a small minority of peoples thought patterns than the reality of the situation that effect these women's paychecks.

2. A more fair culture? These industries are male dominated and these people just fired the ladies......

3. What code of conduct was broken?

4. Again, the representation of women, in this case women who also own businesses, was just quashed.

5. The market will decide whether that's possible or not. Stop telling people what they want. How many men are complaining about not being able to be models at an F1 event? None? Might as well fire the ladies because equal outcome of a ghost variable is just soooo important.

This isn't directed at you Otter, but the actions that led to this video just showcases how a bunch of Flakes can disrupt a perfectly suitable environment completely engrossed in choice. Those choices were just taken away by a group (feminists) who would be dangerous with power.

Edit - Just to clarify, it's not technically feminists hiring and firing, it's the organizations that have control of who they hire and fire. I shouldn't have said "because of feminists" when in fact it is because of the organizations. Recognition of this fact, however, does not deflect the approach of 3rd wave feminists and their train of thought on this matter, or other matters. Lets not pretend like people can't influence the actions of corporations.

Edit 2 - I actually would have taken the same approach as F1 in hiring kids instead of models, it just makes more sense.

Because female representation should amount to more than eye candy and the same culture which doesn't care to address this encourages the piss poor treatement of woman who deal with daily street harrasment, inappropriate comments at the workplace, sexual harrasment in all stages of life from men who feel entitled, and complete abuses of power as seen in the Harvey Weinstein exposè. Its almost as if people are ignoring the fact we are a product of our environment and shaping our environment influences how the future generation grow and treat each other. If the market demands a return of the Grid girls I'm sure we'll see them in some form or another, I don't think they do...

And thats just one angle, they could want to make it more family friendly but I'll repeat my closing line again "it's about the culture you want the sport to represent and encourage that is far bigger and generational then the jobs they loose, but also less a tangible subject."

And its not even that I think that this is a must or believe it will definitely make a difference, but lets not over simply the thinking to crazy feminists ruining things. 

"Because female representation should amount to more than eye candy"

because you say so? i thought feminists were about letting women make their own choices?

what's the difference between this and a fundamentalist christian claiming that women need to be chaste and pure for marriage? sounds like the same shit to me

with all of the logical inconsistencies i just do not understand how a person can claim to be rational and back this nonsense, it is repeatedly demonstrated to be contradictory over and over and over and over again



VGPolyglot said:
o_O.Q said:

this doesn't make sense, how can you be against the objectification of women and not be against the production of porn? and even beyond that to a lesser degree modelling?

What about amateur porn though? Porn that is produced by themselves willingly with no financial incentive seems to me like it'd be a choice rather than something that they're forced into doing.

 

"Porn that is produced by themselves willingly with no financial incentive"

which does not happen... why would a woman show you her body if she doesn't fancy you and cannot extract value from you in some other way? why should she? why should she want to?

that's a rather odd point to make, but then again you guys don't believe in trade so i shouldn't be surprised



o_O.Q said:
VGPolyglot said:

What about amateur porn though? Porn that is produced by themselves willingly with no financial incentive seems to me like it'd be a choice rather than something that they're forced into doing.

 

"Porn that is produced by themselves willingly with no financial incentive"

which does not happen... why would a woman show you her body if she doesn't fancy you and cannot extract value from you in some other way? why should she? why should she want to?

that's a rather odd point to make, but then again you guys don't believe in trade so i shouldn't be surprised

It may be something that she genuinely enjoys doing, just like how there are people that make videos, write stories, do volunteer work, etc. for no financial compensation. Of course the vast majority of people wouldn't want to do that, but they may be some who do.



VGPolyglot said:
o_O.Q said:

 

"Porn that is produced by themselves willingly with no financial incentive"

which does not happen... why would a woman show you her body if she doesn't fancy you and cannot extract value from you in some other way? why should she? why should she want to?

that's a rather odd point to make, but then again you guys don't believe in trade so i shouldn't be surprised

It may be something that she genuinely enjoys doing, just like how there are people that make videos, write stories, do volunteer work, etc. for no financial compensation. Of course the vast majority of people wouldn't want to do that, but they may be some who do.

 

i'm not against it... its just that women generally view their sexuality in a transactional way unless they are attracted to the person they are involved with and i wouldn't hold my breath if i were you on that changing... even in the communist utopia where trade is a thing of the past

 

i believe people should be as free as we can allow them to be, for example, i think prostitution should be legal, if women want to exchange their sexuality for value from men there should be nothing stopping them from doing so

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John2290 said:
Aeolus451 said:

They prefer easy meat (targets). 😹

There has been murmerings against strip clubs from feminists, a little less lately in the social media age as they tend to attack issues that trend or have the potential too. Strip clubs arent owned by one giant company and is much more of a compartmentalized job so feminist outrage would habve little to no effect. They may be able to shame and defame and shame one strip club, however they only have influence as I mentioned above towards large companies who rely on sponsors or are affiliated with other companies in some way that will effect one or more of there bottom line as women are the biggest consumers of goods by far.  of course there are the exceptions to this the boggle the mind such as game companies and tech companied like twitter and bioware but i think thats just the fact that they are mostly based in coastal California, again my opinion but I do also think that the outrage machine wouldn't be so effective and prominent if it weren't for the tech companies in coastal California feeding into the regressive side of liberalism there.

Whatever the case, the feminists who lead these groups gain far too much from it in money and power and companies who get attacked are left with the potential of loosing far too much. They have there platform now and there is litterally nothing anyone can do to say no to them and not get hurt in return. 

Wether it is mass scale social engineering by the likes of  George Soros, fear of loosing money/reputation, just the logitics of where their voice comes from or business incompetence it is happening and working, which is fairly damn scary.

The solace I find in this is the fact tbat they're getting more and more ridiculous in the way that many of the quiet crowd that supports them are seeing the insanity and if this continues the feminists will loose support from that crowd rendering their influence over companies and people not willing to hurt their image. Hopefully it'll fade to just the loud minority who wont have anyone to monetise off of or have the crowd large enough to pressure companies into make these decisions, either that or... perhaps we we are all screwed from having nice things in the future. For all the times they have attempted to kill comedy or control and restrict free speech, we still have them so at least its not all doom and gloom. 

I agree. I think that stripping falls too close to sex work. The sex positive feminists wouldn't tolerate the sex negative feminists like Anita going after it. Alot of single moms make a good living off of it. Grid girls are easier to go after. If feminists in general wanted to not look like hypocrites and a useless movement, they would go after rap/hip-hop culture and push for equality in the muslim faith.



Aeolus451 said:
John2290 said:

There has been murmerings against strip clubs from feminists, a little less lately in the social media age as they tend to attack issues that trend or have the potential too. Strip clubs arent owned by one giant company and is much more of a compartmentalized job so feminist outrage would habve little to no effect. They may be able to shame and defame and shame one strip club, however they only have influence as I mentioned above towards large companies who rely on sponsors or are affiliated with other companies in some way that will effect one or more of there bottom line as women are the biggest consumers of goods by far.  of course there are the exceptions to this the boggle the mind such as game companies and tech companied like twitter and bioware but i think thats just the fact that they are mostly based in coastal California, again my opinion but I do also think that the outrage machine wouldn't be so effective and prominent if it weren't for the tech companies in coastal California feeding into the regressive side of liberalism there.

Whatever the case, the feminists who lead these groups gain far too much from it in money and power and companies who get attacked are left with the potential of loosing far too much. They have there platform now and there is litterally nothing anyone can do to say no to them and not get hurt in return. 

Wether it is mass scale social engineering by the likes of  George Soros, fear of loosing money/reputation, just the logitics of where their voice comes from or business incompetence it is happening and working, which is fairly damn scary.

The solace I find in this is the fact tbat they're getting more and more ridiculous in the way that many of the quiet crowd that supports them are seeing the insanity and if this continues the feminists will loose support from that crowd rendering their influence over companies and people not willing to hurt their image. Hopefully it'll fade to just the loud minority who wont have anyone to monetise off of or have the crowd large enough to pressure companies into make these decisions, either that or... perhaps we we are all screwed from having nice things in the future. For all the times they have attempted to kill comedy or control and restrict free speech, we still have them so at least its not all doom and gloom. 

I agree. I think that stripping falls too close to sex work. The sex positive feminists wouldn't tolerate the sex negative feminists like Anita going after it. Alot of single moms make a good living off of it. Grid girls are easier to go after. If feminists in general wanted to not look like hypocrites and a useless movement, they would go after rap/hip-hop culture and push for equality in the muslim faith.

 

but... anita is not a feminist... she's a con artist

i don't even think that she's consciously trying to make things better for women

i think she looked at the sociopolitical climate, realised that they were people talking nonsense that she could manipulate and then dove in and that happens with various topics a lot more than people realise

people follow these people because they are naive and they think people like anita are being sincere about trying to hep people



o_O.Q said:
Aeolus451 said:

I agree. I think that stripping falls too close to sex work. The sex positive feminists wouldn't tolerate the sex negative feminists like Anita going after it. Alot of single moms make a good living off of it. Grid girls are easier to go after. If feminists in general wanted to not look like hypocrites and a useless movement, they would go after rap/hip-hop culture and push for equality in the muslim faith.

 

but... anita is not a feminist... she's a con artist

i don't even think that she's consciously trying to make things better for women

i think she looked at the sociopolitical climate, realised that they were people talking nonsense that she could manipulate and then dove in and that happens with various topics a lot more than people realise

people follow these people because they are naive and they think people like anita are being sincere about trying to hep people

Yeah, she's in it for the money like alot of the high profile ones. Well, feminists aren't putting a stop to her so she's still the membership roster and still representative of the movement. Feminists' actions in general don't fit the definition of feminism. Alot of feminists are like her hence why alot of women don't label themselves as one. Since the movement won't tackle any of the hard stuff because of their reluctance in criticizing certain groups, they're out of legit stuff to go after so they start to say stuff like AC is sexist.... 😹

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/womens-life/11760417/Air-conditioning-in-your-office-is-sexist.-True-story.html



Otter said:

1. Because female representation should amount to more than eye candy and the same culture which doesn't care to address this encourages the piss poor treatement of woman who deal with daily street harrasment, inappropriate comments at the workplace, sexual harrasment in all stages of life from men who feel entitled, and complete abuses of power as seen in the Harvey Weinstein exposè. 2. Its almost as if people are ignoring the fact we are a product of our environment and shaping our environment influences how the future generation grow and treat each other. If the market demands a return of the Grid girls I'm sure we'll see them in some form or another, I don't think they do...

3. And thats just one angle, they could want to make it more family friendly but I'll repeat my closing line again "it's about the culture you want the sport to represent and encourage that is far bigger and generational then the jobs they loose, but also less a tangible subject."

4. And its not even that I think that this is a must or believe it will definitely make a difference, but lets not over simply the thinking to crazy feminists ruining things. 

1. Female representation should hit all areas where female representation can take place. You are going off on a tangent about the culture not addressing this but excuse me I'm pretty sure females are highly represented in everything they work hard towards. Women aren't fragile little things, I think they can make their won decisions.

2. Yes!!! We are a product of our environment, and the fact that these women on the panel have showcased they are business women as well who have made it with hard work goes against the very point you are spewing. These women have good working conditions but you are coming up with shit from other cases and applying those here which is particularly odd and sounds like confirmation bias to me.

3. We live in a culture that throws sex offenders in prison (once proven guilty, of course). I mean, lol, we live in a culture where men only have to be accused and they lose their kids and their jobs.

4. ....What difference would this make when you have industries that treat women under the spotlight far worse than the innocent case here? Go advocate over in those sectors...what are you doing here? Are you just pretending or are you just ignorant of the ACTUAL issues?



Teeqoz said:
Mummelmann said:

The same can be said of most instagram celebrities though (I've seen instagram models promote the weirdest shit in bikini pictures). Some modern feminists are actually trying to limit female freedom of choice, by banning things they consider misogynistic, it's kind of a paradox, really.

I don't care for scantily clad girls at car shows or sport events myself, I don't understand the point of cheerleaders either, but removing the possibility altogether seems drastic to me.

But this isn't a ban from some higher authority. This is the tournament organizers themselves stopping the practice. It's not a law that has been lobbied through by feminists or whatever.

And I believe I never stated it was; the principal is what matters. Certain movements seek to prohibit choice, this isn't that far remover from abortion ethics and similar veins, it's still an organization, group, movement or other form of governing or ruling/influential body that seeks to remove choices and in same cases even shame those who oppose them.

Like I said; I never understood the point of scantily clad girls at sporting events, and I've never been to a strip joint, for instance. But the choice should at the very least exist, how someone chooses to show or don't show their body is entirely their business, man or woman, so long as it's not exposure (which the law already had covered). Whether a governing body, ruling seat or an organization influenced by some sort of lobbyist group of simply social pressure from movements bring about a ban is beside the point.