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Chazore said:
Kerotan said:

This is all made up. I never suggested this.. Just stop.

Screaming "just stop" isn't going to do anything.

 

You know very well that this has a knock on effect to the industry in general. You know it's been raising the prices of GPU hardware and causing issues for consumers in general.

I never claimed it didn't so what's your point? 



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Kerotan said:

I never claimed it didn't so what's your point? 

I just explained my point beforehand.

 

Mining has a clear and evident knock on effect with the GPU industry, as well as an effect on general consumers.



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Bofferbrauer2 said:

That would need to make entirely new chips, because you can't just simply cut out the things only used for graphics.

I'm aware. But the chips would be smaller and thus cheaper to manufacture.

Bofferbrauer2 said:

Also, that wouldn't solve the problem at hand, which is a lack of production capacities (which is why the RAM prices are also very high)

It would go a ways to mitigate it.
No longer would you be loosing 4-6GB of GDDR5/GDDR5X per card on mining.

The other issue is that fabs will often switch their production from DRAM to NAND and vice versa to capitalize on higher prices.
And NAND demand is increasing at a stupid rate... So...

Bofferbrauer2 said:

mostly due to smartphones and other smart devices taking up an increasingly large chunk of the capacities.

It's because of everything. Even my VDSL2+ modem has a chunk of NAND and more Ram than the last gen consoles.

Chazore said:

Just remember, if it becomes too big to contain, it will also affect the console manufacturing process just as much. No one wants to bleed like Sony did last gen, and I suspect that Sony definitely won't want to spend thousands or suffer a limited supply of hardware stock, stock that's being eaten up by GPU miner and consumers alike. 

If it becomes a "big" problem for one platform, it will most definitely become one for another. 

Exactly. There is only so many wafers at a fab.
nVidia and AMD have actually ramped up production several times... Which means when Sony/Microsoft/Nintendo go shopping at TSMC/Global Foundries and so on... There is more competitive pressure to snap up wafers, which potentially means higher prices.

DRAM is also sky rocketing in price, eventually that will effect consoles severely if it continues increasing.

Thinking on it though, Microsoft should open the Xbox One X to the possibility of mining, I would actually have a use for my console then. :P

Kerotan said:

"You made this thread to make a bigger deal than it needed be. You want to press this notion that it will be here "forever" and that it'll be a blight to the industry, if not PC gaming as a whole, when in reality it hasn't crushed either the industry or PC gaming."

Crypto-currency has been around for almost 10 years.
Overall it keeps breaking new records and reaching new highs.

Sure you will have some lulls and then frantic heights, but that goes for all currencies. (I.E. American Recession.)

But the overall trend, especially as more of the general public take note and jump on board is an increase.



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Teeqoz said:
Arkaign said:
Crypto went away from GPUs and onto ASICs back in like 2014, and then coins that once again leveraged GPUs came back. Ugh.

I am not opposed to cryptocurrency. At all. But I really think it's distasteful and severely wasteful for this to be a GPU-using business. The wasted electricity and economic waste are astonishing. Outside of a handful of coins which further protein folding simulation and other actually useful things to science and humanity, drawing mass power and heat output from GPU mining is a joke when it's just arbitrary numbers.

If an ASIC can be made to take over Ether/etc, it would be extremely helpful in so, so many ways.

I wonder when this will start affecting electricity prices. Eventually, crypto-mining, wether GPU-based or ASIC-based will have its margins shaved razor thin, so this particular problem of GPU pricing will be solved, one way or another. But the power issue remains, and indeed, it's a rather wasteful concept in its current form, with the exception of a handful of coins like you say.

EDIT: However there are some things like Proof of Stake that tackles the power issue as well.

Independently of the merits (or lack thereof) of blockchains and cryptocurrencies, there could be, and probably will be, at some point , laws to progressively limit the power consumption of any given GPU/CPU to something like 30 - 45 W. It's not that unfeasible, considering it has been done already with goods like lamps and cars almost worldwide and even TVs in some places, and the lower voltage ensures the benefits would remain even if someone were to stack multiple processors to compensate the loss of computing power.



 

 

 

 

 

Chazore said:
Kerotan said:

I never claimed it didn't so what's your point? 

I just explained my point beforehand.

 

Mining has a clear and evident knock on effect with the GPU industry, as well as an effect on general consumers.

Stop avoiding the issue here. I never denied any of this. The problem here is you making things up about me. 



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Pemalite said:
Bofferbrauer2 said:

That would need to make entirely new chips, because you can't just simply cut out the things only used for graphics.

I'm aware. But the chips would be smaller and thus cheaper to manufacture.

Bofferbrauer2 said:

Also, that wouldn't solve the problem at hand, which is a lack of production capacities (which is why the RAM prices are also very high)

It would go a ways to mitigate it.
No longer would you be loosing 4-6GB of GDDR5/GDDR5X per card on mining.

The other issue is that fabs will often switch their production from DRAM to NAND and vice versa to capitalize on higher prices.
And NAND demand is increasing at a stupid rate... So...

Bofferbrauer2 said:

mostly due to smartphones and other smart devices taking up an increasingly large chunk of the capacities.

It's because of everything. Even my VDSL2+ modem has a chunk of NAND and more Ram than the last gen consoles.

Chazore said:

Just remember, if it becomes too big to contain, it will also affect the console manufacturing process just as much. No one wants to bleed like Sony did last gen, and I suspect that Sony definitely won't want to spend thousands or suffer a limited supply of hardware stock, stock that's being eaten up by GPU miner and consumers alike. 

If it becomes a "big" problem for one platform, it will most definitely become one for another. 

Exactly. There is only so many wafers at a fab.
nVidia and AMD have actually ramped up production several times... Which means when Sony/Microsoft/Nintendo go shopping at TSMC/Global Foundries and so on... There is more competitive pressure to snap up wafers, which potentially means higher prices.

DRAM is also sky rocketing in price, eventually that will effect consoles severely if it continues increasing.

Thinking on it though, Microsoft should open the Xbox One X to the possibility of mining, I would actually have a use for my console then. :P

Kerotan said:

"You made this thread to make a bigger deal than it needed be. You want to press this notion that it will be here "forever" and that it'll be a blight to the industry, if not PC gaming as a whole, when in reality it hasn't crushed either the industry or PC gaming."

Crypto-currency has been around for almost 10 years.
Overall it keeps breaking new records and reaching new highs.

Sure you will have some lulls and then frantic heights, but that goes for all currencies. (I.E. American Recession.)

But the overall trend, especially as more of the general public take note and jump on board is an increase.

Uh oh. Does this mean that game streaming will come faster than we wanted because of component shortages? Maybe this has been in the cards for a while because they say the writing on the wall. Excuse the double idiom there, but these components are poised to start affecting each other soon.



Kerotan said:

Stop avoiding the issue here. I never denied any of this. The problem here is you making things up about me. 

pem just basically explained it all.



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Chazore said:
Kerotan said:

Stop avoiding the issue here. I never denied any of this. The problem here is you making things up about me. 

pem just basically explained it all.

Explained what? I've not disagreed with any of this  Seeing as you've stopped going on about that other thing I'll assume you've accepted my response. 



Kerotan said:

Explained what? I've not disagreed with any of this  Seeing as you've stopped going on about that other thing I'll assume you've accepted my response. 

I'm not playing that game kero  



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Chazore said:
iron_megalith said:
Good thing I don't want to bother with building a rig any time soon. Not till Intel sorts out that Architecture issue with new iterations. So at this point it just sucks for those who really want to build something right now.

Oh man I can just hear the echoing sadness of those snob PC gamers. They've taken such a huge blow one after the other.

Those "snob" PC gamers you're referring to are making more bank than others are are a typical retail job with their mining. Those that can afford high end cards are still going to buy them.

No need to get warrior like in this thread though. 

Wow. Sorry to hear you got offended. That wasn't even meant to be offensive as CLEARLY there are a lot of people(gamers) bitching about GPU prices.

The """"GAMERS"""" you're talking about also include the miners who most likely just leave those rigs up and running without it even running a single damn game. So yeah true gaming experience there folks.

But yeah I'd advise you cool your jets bro.

Last edited by iron_megalith - on 14 February 2018