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Majin-Tenshinhan said:
Barozi said:

lol what are you talking about? You do know that the EU is a customs union? There aren't any toll fees between the EU countries with the exception of products like gas, alcohol, coffee and tobacco.

I think you mean there aren't supposed to be.

And what makes you say that?

I've imported games, movies, books and even consoles from the UK, France, Spain and Italy and never paid a fee.



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About damn time!

Though as someone mentioned before there are some loopholes still in place for specific countries.

I got burned once buying way back when COD Black Ops in the shop (for PC) and when I start the game all the menus were in Polish with no option to change to English or any other language (maybe Russian).

That's the biggest load of shit ever, basically if you're a foreigner you're just fucked.

I thought I learned the lesson, so I basically stopped buying any other games in physical media, instead I would just buy the more expensive international version for every single purchase. I did so with BF1 on origin, paid the price in Eur and the day it releases I get everything in Polish once again.

Lucky me that the customer support guy was actually a decent human and changed whatever settings were needed to get the "normal" version of the game. It had automatically switched all the language settings to Polish just because I had a Polish IP at the time.

So yeah... about fucking time this changes.



DonFerrari said:

From Brazil you can make acc on USA, JP and Europe without any hussle.

Yes, but you can't change the country of an account, you can only make a new one in a different country. Xbox Live allows you to change the country a few times per year.



torok said:
DonFerrari said:

From Brazil you can make acc on USA, JP and Europe without any hussle.

Yes, but you can't change the country of an account, you can only make a new one in a different country. Xbox Live allows you to change the country a few times per year.

You know... i was thinking about it and since the trophies are the only problem, Sony could definitly have it on PSN aswell. It would just require you to go over a procedure to transfer trophies or the creation of a new account with said trophies when changing country. 

This legislation may make the whole process easier but SCE could definitly do it already. They are just weird that way.



Barozi said:
Majin-Tenshinhan said:

I think you mean there aren't supposed to be.

And what makes you say that?

I've imported games, movies, books and even consoles from the UK, France, Spain and Italy and never paid a fee.

... Obviously that I have had to pay fees, what else would it be?



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Tulipanzo said:
An important first step, if not groundbreaking on its own. The Internet exists beyond borders, and everyone should be able to access it freely.

The major discussion will happen surrounding digital services, which have shown more propensity for geoblocking costumers (*cough* Netflix)
Legislation for content distribution is in dire need of an update. Still interesting times.

P.S. lol at DonFerrari for trying to make this sound bad

Yes laugh at me all you want also ask for more govern intervention it is always good and necessary.

Internet exist beyond borders sure, and several companies have multiple locations, and funny enough you can find different prices on different locations (even within the same country, state or city). So, sorry, but price isn't solely determined by the existence of boundaries.

You may not believe but long term demanding that companies offer a single solution to the whole EU may be bad for customers.

Ka-pi96 said:
DonFerrari said:

Yes it can be because they are dicks, still its their service and they may do it and you as customer not accepting it not sign-in.

Lot of different licenses and regulations also it make the cost lower when they limit content to regions.

When I log into crunchyroll in house using language as PT-BR I have some content available while on EN there is some different, when I log in the company (connection passthrough USA, so I have "geolocation" from there) the licenses changes and some content that I had in PT-BR won't show unless I put in EN while there will be more content in EN... so it is a lot convoluted.

Limiting content to regions also makes things cost more. I know here in the UK we are one of the worst off for that. We often have among the highest prices yet less content than regions like the US which gets things cheaper as well.

And it's quite easy to fix the licencing issue. If they're intent on completely ending geo blocking then they'd just make it illegal to sell region exclusive licences. You can licence the thing globally, or you can piss off.

I think you are making confusion. On this kind of conversation cost means what is internal for the company, what you are looking at is price being higher and value being lower (which sure is an issue... and a bigger issue is thinking that this law will make all content that is mandated to be offered at the same price to be the lower price).

It must be really good to live in these countries where you can summarize your thinking to only the possible good outcomes.

Nem said:
DonFerrari said:

And why should a legislation exist to allow you to change country on PSN? Even more when if you just want to access a different store you may just create an account over there, buy, download and use on your main acc.

And why shouldn't it? Europe is a union. We have a single currency and we can freely buy things in one country or the one next door without any barriers. This barrier is therefore redundant and an unecessary obstacle and us, european consumers would benefit from it being teared down.

Btw, we are talking about europe, not the whole world. Thought i'd mention because you seem to have missed the beggining of the conversation and might be under the wrong impression. 

As I said before, your city is also a single one, still it's possible to go to 2 different stores of the same owner and see different prices... you know why? Because the cost to deliver the product in one place is different than the other and also the demand elasticity curve is different as well.

To mandate that companies practice a single price europe wide will make it that some places that got it lower will pay more and perhaps some places that paid more to pay less... there is very little reason to believe they would practice the lowest price available to all regions under new legislation.

I know it is talking exclusively about EU, ONU or any other supranational organization thank god still doesn't have supreme sovereign over the whole globe.

setsunatenshi said:
About damn time!

Though as someone mentioned before there are some loopholes still in place for specific countries.

I got burned once buying way back when COD Black Ops in the shop (for PC) and when I start the game all the menus were in Polish with no option to change to English or any other language (maybe Russian).

That's the biggest load of shit ever, basically if you're a foreigner you're just fucked.

I thought I learned the lesson, so I basically stopped buying any other games in physical media, instead I would just buy the more expensive international version for every single purchase. I did so with BF1 on origin, paid the price in Eur and the day it releases I get everything in Polish once again.

Lucky me that the customer support guy was actually a decent human and changed whatever settings were needed to get the "normal" version of the game. It had automatically switched all the language settings to Polish just because I had a Polish IP at the time.

So yeah... about fucking time this changes.

Because sure a product destined to polish market needs 25 different languages so you can buy in different countries ¬¬

torok said:
DonFerrari said:

From Brazil you can make acc on USA, JP and Europe without any hussle.

Yes, but you can't change the country of an account, you can only make a new one in a different country. Xbox Live allows you to change the country a few times per year.

Yes I understood the complaint of the guy, still that is a point he have to do to Sony or boycott them instead of seeking legislation about it.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

Nem said:

You know... i was thinking about it and since the trophies are the only problem, Sony could definitly have it on PSN aswell. It would just require you to go over a procedure to transfer trophies or the creation of a new account with said trophies when changing country. 

This legislation may make the whole process easier but SCE could definitly do it already. They are just weird that way.

Well, you also have all your digital content (games, DLC, films, etc) and your friend list. I really can't understand why they can't do something so simple.



DonFerrari said:
Tulipanzo said:
An important first step, if not groundbreaking on its own. The Internet exists beyond borders, and everyone should be able to access it freely.

The major discussion will happen surrounding digital services, which have shown more propensity for geoblocking costumers (*cough* Netflix)
Legislation for content distribution is in dire need of an update. Still interesting times.

P.S. lol at DonFerrari for trying to make this sound bad

Yes laugh at me all you want also ask for more govern intervention it is always good and necessary.

Internet exist beyond borders sure, and several companies have multiple locations, and funny enough you can find different prices on different locations (even within the same country, state or city). So, sorry, but price isn't solely determined by the existence of boundaries.

You may not believe but long term demanding that companies offer a single solution to the whole EU may be bad for customers.

Ka-pi96 said:

Limiting content to regions also makes things cost more. I know here in the UK we are one of the worst off for that. We often have among the highest prices yet less content than regions like the US which gets things cheaper as well.

And it's quite easy to fix the licencing issue. If they're intent on completely ending geo blocking then they'd just make it illegal to sell region exclusive licences. You can licence the thing globally, or you can piss off.

I think you are making confusion. On this kind of conversation cost means what is internal for the company, what you are looking at is price being higher and value being lower (which sure is an issue... and a bigger issue is thinking that this law will make all content that is mandated to be offered at the same price to be the lower price).

It must be really good to live in these countries where you can summarize your thinking to only the possible good outcomes.

Nem said:

And why shouldn't it? Europe is a union. We have a single currency and we can freely buy things in one country or the one next door without any barriers. This barrier is therefore redundant and an unecessary obstacle and us, european consumers would benefit from it being teared down.

Btw, we are talking about europe, not the whole world. Thought i'd mention because you seem to have missed the beggining of the conversation and might be under the wrong impression. 

As I said before, your city is also a single one, still it's possible to go to 2 different stores of the same owner and see different prices... you know why? Because the cost to deliver the product in one place is different than the other and also the demand elasticity curve is different as well.

To mandate that companies practice a single price europe wide will make it that some places that got it lower will pay more and perhaps some places that paid more to pay less... there is very little reason to believe they would practice the lowest price available to all regions under new legislation.

I know it is talking exclusively about EU, ONU or any other supranational organization thank god still doesn't have supreme sovereign over the whole globe.

setsunatenshi said:
About damn time!

Though as someone mentioned before there are some loopholes still in place for specific countries.

I got burned once buying way back when COD Black Ops in the shop (for PC) and when I start the game all the menus were in Polish with no option to change to English or any other language (maybe Russian).

That's the biggest load of shit ever, basically if you're a foreigner you're just fucked.

I thought I learned the lesson, so I basically stopped buying any other games in physical media, instead I would just buy the more expensive international version for every single purchase. I did so with BF1 on origin, paid the price in Eur and the day it releases I get everything in Polish once again.

Lucky me that the customer support guy was actually a decent human and changed whatever settings were needed to get the "normal" version of the game. It had automatically switched all the language settings to Polish just because I had a Polish IP at the time.

So yeah... about fucking time this changes.

Because sure a product destined to polish market needs 25 different languages so you can buy in different countries ¬¬

torok said:

Yes, but you can't change the country of an account, you can only make a new one in a different country. Xbox Live allows you to change the country a few times per year.

Yes I understood the complaint of the guy, still that is a point he have to do to Sony or boycott them instead of seeking legislation about it.

@ bold: That's what you don't seem to understand, there's no "polish market", there's an European market.

 

It seems by several of your comments in this thread that you have some issue with consumer friendly EU regulations, which is puzzling to say the least as you're probably a consumer yourself, but most of all you're not an EU citizen nor do you live in the EU.

Feel free to correct me if I jumped to a wrong conclusion here.



Majin-Tenshinhan said:
Barozi said:

And what makes you say that?

I've imported games, movies, books and even consoles from the UK, France, Spain and Italy and never paid a fee.

... Obviously that I have had to pay fees, what else would it be?

It seems like you don't wanna talk about what you bought, what fee you had to pay, how much you paid and who told you to pay the fee.

What was the point about your first post in this thread then?



setsunatenshi said:
DonFerrari said:

Yes laugh at me all you want also ask for more govern intervention it is always good and necessary.

Internet exist beyond borders sure, and several companies have multiple locations, and funny enough you can find different prices on different locations (even within the same country, state or city). So, sorry, but price isn't solely determined by the existence of boundaries.

You may not believe but long term demanding that companies offer a single solution to the whole EU may be bad for customers.

I think you are making confusion. On this kind of conversation cost means what is internal for the company, what you are looking at is price being higher and value being lower (which sure is an issue... and a bigger issue is thinking that this law will make all content that is mandated to be offered at the same price to be the lower price).

It must be really good to live in these countries where you can summarize your thinking to only the possible good outcomes.

As I said before, your city is also a single one, still it's possible to go to 2 different stores of the same owner and see different prices... you know why? Because the cost to deliver the product in one place is different than the other and also the demand elasticity curve is different as well.

To mandate that companies practice a single price europe wide will make it that some places that got it lower will pay more and perhaps some places that paid more to pay less... there is very little reason to believe they would practice the lowest price available to all regions under new legislation.

I know it is talking exclusively about EU, ONU or any other supranational organization thank god still doesn't have supreme sovereign over the whole globe.

Because sure a product destined to polish market needs 25 different languages so you can buy in different countries ¬¬

Yes I understood the complaint of the guy, still that is a point he have to do to Sony or boycott them instead of seeking legislation about it.

@ bold: That's what you don't seem to understand, there's no "polish market", there's an European market.

 

It seems by several of your comments in this thread that you have some issue with consumer friendly EU regulations, which is puzzling to say the least as you're probably a consumer yourself, but most of all you're not an EU citizen nor do you live in the EU.

Feel free to correct me if I jumped to a wrong conclusion here.

You are the one not understanding... even if the whole globe were to be considered a single market without any barrier, tax, etc the interest of several different places are different.

Every single product have a market and people interested in it. So when someone releases a product at some place he may make it direct to it, that is a prerogative of who creates a product.

Everyone eats, still each one have different tastes and products one wants to eat. So one selling to the whole world won't try to sell horse meat on Brazil, pork meat to jews or cow to Indians.

I have a problem with government intervention, as they may all seem like customer friendly, good intended, etc... but freedom of trade is better than government imposition. So if you want Amazon per say to sell at the same price to all EU markets you and others can request Amazon to do it, when you demand the government to do, the end result more often than not won't be exactly you had in mind.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."