SKMBlake said:
It's already happening |
it's not, ir event always happen the day after quarterly earnings release, it's a different thing, it's called financial results briefing and outline/company material presentation by president.
Last edited by tak13 - on 31 January 2018
Not bad at all, but the title is misleading.
| bubblegamer said: Not bad at all, but the title is misleading. |
It isn’t. Shipped to retailers is sold. Really that simple.
OTBWY said:
More newer franchises are bigger than Metroid now. It's a bit sad but it is what it is. |
Dat kan ik me zeker voorstellen. In Europa (Sonyland zoals ze zeggen) hebben ze die nodig om finaal door te breken met de NS. Ik dacht eerst dat Nintendo Pokemon en NS zou bundelen voor 300 Euro voor de feestdagen, maar dat zal zelfs niet nodig zijn met deze cijfers.
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Ka-pi96 said:
It should be the other way around. All figures companies give should be considered shipments unless they specifically state otherwise (as Sony sometimes do with their PS4 figures). Especially on their financial statements, those will always be shipped figures. And it's no wonder articles are saying it's sold, because it is sold. Shipped and sold in mean the same thing (sold to retailers) and are what companies typically refer to as "sold", sell through (sold to consumers) is rarely used by companies themselves and is instead what VGC/NPD/Media Create and the like use. Sell through is practically always estimates (albeit some less accurate than others *cough* vgc *cough*) because with a few exceptions (consoles that are completely sold out, or no longer produced) it's not really possible to have a 100% accurate figure of sell through from all the retailers across the world. Shipped however is easy for companies to track, they know exactly how many they've produced and sold to retailers and hence those are the figures they use in their financial reports. As well as being more accurate, shipped figures are also always higher (except completely sold out/no longer produced consoles again) so why would they want to give a lower figure if they had a higher one? If 14.86m was the sell through then Switch would definitely have shipped ov 15m, probably more like 15.5m, which would sound even more impressive, so why not use that? |
Spot on. Once it’s sold to retailers that’s sold.
tak13 said:
it's not, ir event always happen the day after quarterly earnings release, it's a different thing, it's called financial results briefing and outline/company material presentation by president. |
There is tweets about it, the most famous one is about Kimishima explaining how his grand children were better than him at Mario Kart 8 Deluxe, and talikng about Labo
| CrazyGamer2017 said: So it seems. The fact that some websites report as sold and others as shipped demonstrates confusion and if Nintendo had sold that much, they would clearly and unequivocally have said so. Other brands are more transparent when they have figures. From a purely logical point of view there is no need to confuse if they have the advantage, in other words the only reason to make this unclear is cause they want to pass "shipped" for "sold to the public" and they are just playing on the confusion here. So until clearly proven otherwise, it stands to reason to believe these are shipped units and it's up to Nintendo to clear this up. |
I'm sorry this is long-winded, but allow me to chime in here :
A ) No, Nintendo is not obscuring the information. This doesn't even make sense. Did you actually look at the site that this information is being communicated from? It's the Nintendo Japan IR and Nintendo Quarterly report document site. It's always reported information this way. Basically for the IR site/document it's just a list sharing the amount of something, with the asterisks displaying the conditions of that product. It's not even a marketing statement, it is literally just a sheet of figures. The fact that you think Nintendo is pulling a stunt means you must have never seen a Nintendo IR page before .... it's always looked like this and nothing about it is malicious. From my memory, beforehand when people would look at the information regarding their current gen consoles, they would refer to it as the amount of shipments. I seem to remember that being the general consensus, that the amount of consoles shown on that site (specifically for current gen consoles) are based on shipments numbers. This never became a discussion for debate until this thread was made, in which case I think it's fairly obvious that the reason people are confused is because the OP said "sold" in the thread title and people started splitting hairs over whether or not this is sold through.
To put it in layman's terms, if he literally just said "shipped" nobody would be arguing about this and you wouldn't have automatically assumed Nintendo is being malicious.
B ) Why would they need to pull a stunt by obscuring language when they're still tracking ahead of the PS4's shipments? The shipments of the PS4 were about 14.4 mil as of November 23rd, a year after the console launched. This means the Switch is already beating it's shipment numbers by .46 million, and it's doing it two months before the PS4 did. Before you reply with all the reasons this doesn't count and PS4 is totally going to kick Switch's ass, it's fine, I don't care and I know the Switch has some things working for it that the PS4 doesn't and that's arguably unfair. I'm just saying that if I was a marketing company, and I shipped more units than the leading console in a set amount of time, I would already have a marketing advantage. There would be no reason to fabricate anything.
C ) Nintendo hasn't even made a statement about the numbers. This is the biggest argument against your "Nintendo is purposely being obscure and malicious!!" point. Nintendo hasn't commented on the numbers - they're just posting quarterly information that websites decided to post about. Also, in buisness the words "sales" and "shipments" are a lot of the times interchangeable, from all companies.
You have a right to be confused and truthfully i'm a little confused as well. I just assumed it was shipped and this was all a big misunderstanding. Strangely enough I've always thought game sales were sold through, so even in my own mind I guess I had an odd perception of the numbers. But I don't know why you're response was too immediately attack Nintendo fans, and then when replied to, later blame Nintendo. Like, step back for a minute and don't be so quick to blame people. It's all okay, it really doesn't matter too much which it is anyways.
Ka-pi96 said:
Just on that part, that seems unlikely. Tracking worldwide console sell through is one thing, but actual software sell through would be so much more difficult. IIRC no company has ever actually released an official sell through figure for (physical) software (other than the Media Create etc estimates). Of course when it comes to digital games it will be sell through, because that's all there really is for digital. |
Yeah I know haha, that's why I admitted it was strange that I always assumed that. It doesn't make a whole lot of sense thinking back on it because I always thought of consoles as shipments. I guess all I can learn from hindsight is to have some consistency.
| Pinkie_pie said: its shipped https://www.dualshockers.com/nintendo-shipped-14-86-million-switch-units-2017-predicts-17-74-million-march/ |
Basically sold as well i mean sell outs!! Sold is definitely over 14mil imo and as s of end of jan 15mil+
Stefan.De.Machtige said:
Dat kan ik me zeker voorstellen. In Europa (Sonyland zoals ze zeggen) hebben ze die nodig om finaal door te breken met de NS. Ik dacht eerst dat Nintendo Pokemon en NS zou bundelen voor 300 Euro voor de feestdagen, maar dat zal zelfs niet nodig zijn met deze cijfers. |
Vast en zeker. Als Pokemon Go maar enige indicatie is, dan zal het een enorme impact hebben in Europa. Totale gekte.
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