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Errorist76 on 18 January 2018

How “bad” is the murder rate compared to the U.S....?! Just want to know, since the OP decided to use Trump rhetoric.



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JEMC on 18 January 2018

Using the army for police tasks is a terrible idea. They aren't trained for such duties.

If the problem is that serious what they need to do is increase the number of policemen/women and train them better.



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Kristof81 on 18 January 2018
Errorist76 said:
How “bad” is the murder rate compared to the U.S....?! Just want to know, since the OP decided to use Trump rhetoric.

Per 100,000 inhabitants. Sweden: 1.2, USA: 4.9, Global average: 6.2



Errorist76 on 18 January 2018
Kristof81 said:
Errorist76 said:
How “bad” is the murder rate compared to the U.S....?! Just want to know, since the OP decided to use Trump rhetoric.

Per 100,000 inhabitants. Sweden: 1.2, USA: 4.9, Global average: 6.2

Thank you. Sorry for being lazy.



palou on 18 January 2018
JEMC said:
Using the army for police tasks is a terrible idea. They aren't trained for such duties.

If the problem is that serious what they need to do is increase the number of policemen/women and train them better.

Italy trains their army to do policework, instead. The carabinieri.



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SamuelRSmith on 18 January 2018
Puppyroach said:

Stop using made up words. No-go zones does not exist and is a term from the extreme right popularized by Fox News that later retracted it since it turned out to be completely made up. And of course you left out that the article clarified that murder rates in Sweden is relatively low internationally speaking. But at least change the title of the thread since the term "no-go" is factually incorrect. 

So, which were the areas that were included in the completely made up "no go zones", and which are the areas that apparently have live grenades lying around the streets, and gang warfare?

The fact that crime rates across the country are low internationally speaking isn't relevant to the discussion at hand, and actually enhances the notion of a "no go zone". If I have a choice to live/work/play in a whole country that's incredibly safe, or restrict myself to a couple neighbourhoods where crime is exceptionally high, the latter becomes and even stronger "no go zone".



Kristof81 on 18 January 2018
Errorist76 said:
Kristof81 said:

Per 100,000 inhabitants. Sweden: 1.2, USA: 4.9, Global average: 6.2

Thank you. Sorry for being lazy.

That's fine. I was curious myself. 

Sweden's homicide rate is pretty average by EU standards (1.1). For contrast, Norway's rate is 0.6, but Finland's 1.6. 



palou on 18 January 2018
SamuelRSmith said:
Puppyroach said:

Stop using made up words. No-go zones does not exist and is a term from the extreme right popularized by Fox News that later retracted it since it turned out to be completely made up. And of course you left out that the article clarified that murder rates in Sweden is relatively low internationally speaking. But at least change the title of the thread since the term "no-go" is factually incorrect. 

So, which were the areas that were included in the completely made up "no go zones", and which are the areas that apparently have live grenades lying around the streets, and gang warfare?

The fact that crime rates across the country are low internationally speaking isn't relevant to the discussion at hand, and actually enhances the notion of a "no go zone". If I have a choice to live/work/play in a whole country that's incredibly safe, or restrict myself to a couple neighbourhoods where crime is exceptionally high, the latter becomes and even stronger "no go zone".

The thing is, even WITHIN the most dangerous areas of the most dangerous cities, homicide is comparatively extremely low to many american cities( St-louis, detroit, or even DC.)

 

It’s called a bad neighborhood. Why invent new terminology just for Sweden?

 

How many cases of live grenades on the streets are there really, now? 



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KrspaceT on 18 January 2018
Puppyroach said:
SamuelRSmith said:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-sweden-violence/swedish-pm-does-not-rule-out-use-of-army-to-end-gang-violence-idUSKBN1F629L

"Sweden will do whatever it takes, including sending in the army, to end a wave of gang violence that has seen a string of deadly shootings, Prime Minister Stefan Lofven said in Wednesday."

"“It would not be my first option to bring in the military, but I am prepared to do whatever is necessary to make sure that serious, organized crime is stamped out,” Lofven told news agency TT."

"The government has promised police an extra 7.1 billion crowns ($880 million) through 2020, toughened laws on gun crimes and made it easier for the police to monitor private phone calls and emails, among other measures.

But a report by the Swedish National Council for Crime Prevention shows increasing numbers of Swedes worried about crime with confidence falling in the police and the judicial system.

“People are shot to death in pizza restaurants, people are killed by hand grenades they find on the street,” Sweden Democrat leader Jimmie Akesson said in parliament on Wednesday.

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Stop using made up words. No-go zones does not exist and is a term from the extreme right popularized by Fox News that later retracted it since it turned out to be completely made up. And of course you left out that the article clarified that murder rates in Sweden is relatively low internationally speaking. But at least change the title of the thread since the term "no-go" is factually incorrect. 

Honestly I have to agree. People are convinced of that and it is sad. 

I've literally had people argue to me that there are no go zones in Dearborn, yet in the same breath use the 'wrong' one.

 

Dearborn Missouri is a tad less populated (especially by Muslims) than Dearborn Michigan, yet i checked the guy. He swore Missouri. 

 

The lack of education is baffling. The lacked of reality is amazing. Whatever red pills they swallowed were clearly hallucinogens. 



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Qwark on 18 January 2018

 

vivster said:
numberwang said:

The Uncomfortable Truth About Swedish Anti-Semitism

51 percent of anti-Semitic incidents in Sweden were attributed to Muslim extremists. Only 5 percent were carried out by right-wing extremists; 25 percent were perpetrated by left-wing extremists.

https://archive.is/gQgn8#selection-2165.0-2169.208

 

Antifaintifada coming to Sweden

Is she proposing to increase antisemitic attacks by white people because muslims are stealing right wing extremist's jobs?

Isn't it common knowledge that Muslims and Jews don't get along all that well since the birth of Israel and especially adter the war of 1948. Besides Israel is pretty much as extreme right as it gets. So in that regard an extreme right hate crime against Jews is kind of attacking your own agenda.



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