All 4 of those IP are bigger than Zelda

All 4 of those IP are bigger than Splatoon

All 4 of those IP are as big or bigger than 3D Mario

Mario Kart is the only one as big or bigger than the ones i listed

Hate to break it to you but 3D Mario was heavily bundled on 3DS/Wii U as well.

If the next 2D Mario is just another NSMB rehash than you might be right but if its an innovative and fresh new entry than it will blow past Odyssey.

lol do your research before spouting nonsense . mario maker was fresh it was 2d mario, it didn't beat 3d mario sales. animal crossing had one 1 entry in the past pst 10 years that did over 10 million that makes it bigger then zelda? smash is not bigger then 3d mario, it never has been.

Is it nonsense? Really?

If so please debunk his argument.

Instead of spouting nonsense.

i already  did. all you have is google each franchise sales.

Please point out which thing i said was innacurate?

The best selling Zelda titles, Ocarina & Twilight each did about 8 million.

The best selling 3D Mario titles, 64, Galaxy & 3D Land each did about 12 million.

Splatoon did about 4 million, Spatoon 2 will definitely see a lot of growth though.

Animal Crossing on DS & 3DS did over 11 million.

Smash Brawl & Smash 4 did over 13 million.

The last 5 Pokemon generations have all done 15-17 million.

2D Mario did over 30 million on DS & Wii each, 3DS version did about 12 million.

Mario Kart averaged 30 million between DS & Wii versions while 3DS version did 16 million.

I will repeat

All 4 are bigger than Zelda

All 4 are bigger than Splatoon

All 4 are as big or bigger than 3D Mario

Mario Kart is the only one as big or bigger than those 4

https://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/finance/software/3ds.html

You can click on each of the tabs and see that 2D Mario has sold more than 3D Mario each time they were on the same console.

On the 3ds, pokemon has sold more than mariokart. That difference would be even higher if newer pokemon games didn't cut off the old pokemon games legs, which mariokart doesn't have to worry about.

Smash melee outsold super Mario sunshine, smash brawl outsold Mario galaxy, and 3D world only outsold smash 4 because it was heavily bundled with Wii u's, which smash wasnt.

the way you compare franchise sure if funny, one entry selling 2-3 million more then one game in a franchise thats constantly selling doesn't make it bigger, especially when the latest entry will probably match those sales, but even  then nintedo makes way more Zelda games because they know the franchise is much bigger just in remakes zelda is about half the total sales as animal crossing, you have multiple 3d marios that sold over 10 million while only one smash game has crossed that line.

mario 3d> animal crossing there is no argument for this

mario 3d sells better then smash there is no argument for this as well

mario kart is bigger then all, and is on par with pokemon.

You are so ignorant, literally everything i said was a fact and you are making up things to make it seem like you are right.

lmao fact? the latest entries  of mario world for 3ds out sold smash, how the hell is smash bigger then  mario 3d world, dude you are wrong plain and simple. only 1 game in the franshise has sold over 10 million, while many 3d marios have sold over 11=12. you make no sense. your argument would hold a bit of water if those games have slumping sales like GT, or halo, yea there were selling huge numbers years ago  like you mention but 2d mario entries are not doing what there doing 10 years ago, they are just slightly beating 3d mario.

Smash 4 was a multiplatform release, why would i only compare one version of it? When talking about the sales of a multiplatform title you always include all versions. Smash 4 did over 14 million and Smash Brawl did over 13 million.

You like to ignore certain things, i said they are AS BIG or bigger than 3D Mario. This is a true statement.

Like i said earlier, read better.