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irstupid said:
Errorist76 said:

Last I knew voting works by voice, not by land mass.

It's not by land mass, but by demographics. The rural areas or small cities want completely different things than the big urban cities.

Take video games since we are on this site. How would you like it if every time a publisher was to make a new game they would send out a poll to the masses on what type of game it should be. There are more FPS fans than any other, so every single game from every publisher is a fps game.  Or how about when the Wii was released and they did a poll. The masses would have voted that they want every single game made to be motion controlled cause WIi Sports was fun. Would us forum dwellers on this site like that? We got outvoted, so we can't complain right. Democracy.

It's the same for those non big city places. The governors/senators/ect are making laws that benefit or help the people in the city and either are detrimental to other people or ignore them completely. They wouldn't care about the rural areas cause the number of voters there is insignificant to the big city.

Mob rule is never good rule.

A proportional vote on political parties is NOT mob rule. Voting on a single issue is absolutely unrepresentative of how such a system would work in a real-world scenario.

 

There are many issues at hand, in reality, which overlap, which makes compromises/deals among parties on various issues a necessity to maintain a majority. 

 

Mathematically, increasing the number of unrelated issues should make the decisions of the government tend towards an ideal maximal satisfaction among the populace.

 

 

I also always found that separating regions geographically made little to no sense, as it isn't necessarily the most distinctive separator among demographics (ESPECIALLY with the avenue of globalizing technologies, such as the internet.) 

 

Separating by age group, education, occupation, or income gives a much clearer distinction of interests, I think, than States ever could.

 

 

 

The partisan extremes that have formed in the US have killed any advantages of seeking local representation in the first place. Representatives of both parties will blindly obey party guid lines these days, anyways. 

Last edited by palou - on 17 January 2018

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dgboweniii said:
California is a mess. Highest population. highest poverty %, highest taxes. A total mess.

This makes sense and I understand why the rural cities would want it, but its not going to happen.

If California is a mess I'm not sure how one would define West Virginia or Mississippi.

It has issues being such a large, populous, and wealthy state. In many respects California and its wealth inequality is a microcosm of the country. Yet, people keep moving there, Florida, and Texas while the northeast and midwest stagnate or decline in population in recent decades.



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Vizigoth04 said:
the_dark_lewd said:

They didn't. That's what's partly motivating it. The rural areas in California, like with the rest of the country, are much more conservative.

So this is the conservative parts of the state reacting to the fact that they're in a permanently democratic state and wanting to fix that.

I get that. Might be easier just to move. I mean I get it you might miss the ocean but probably not miss the cost of living.

Great Idea, just lose your land and history/roots in the way



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

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palou said:

 

I also always found that separating regions geographically made little to no sense, as it isn't necessarily the most distinctive separator among demographics (ESPECIALLY with the avenue of globalizing technologies, such as the internet.) 

 

In the United States it is. 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2017/national/rural-america/?utm_term=.7fcbbccdc26b

Whether a county is urban or rural is a very good predictor of whether or not it is Democratic or Republican. This is different from when the divide was more region-based (Northeast vs. Southeast vs. Midwest vs. West Coast vs. Southwest.) All of the other predictors you mentioned aren't as cleanly predictive as population density. 

Last edited by sc94597 - on 18 January 2018

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Nymeria said:
dgboweniii said:
California is a mess. Highest population. highest poverty %, highest taxes. A total mess.

This makes sense and I understand why the rural cities would want it, but its not going to happen.

Yet, people keep moving there

This is not necessarily true. 

http://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-government/politics-columns-blogs/dan-walters/article123894519.html

"Foreign immigration has dropped sharply, and we now lose more people to other states than we gain, with Texas the No. 1 destination for ex-Californians."



New California would thrive with all the agriculture money. Old California would be bankrupt in a year. San Frans biggest industry is Chinese Restaurants. LA has movies and Mexican Restaurants...



NobleTeam360 said:
Why don't they just move? California is a trash state and it's not going to get better anytime soon.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pWdd6_ZxX8c



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Honestly. Screw Cali.



Aeolus451 said:
I'll believe it when it actually happens. It will be interesting if it does though. Trump would likely go along with it just because it would upset democrats.

Isn't modern politics great? 



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