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maxleresistant said:

I'm just glad to be married and not have to be in the dating game anymore.

Seriously, a few months from now a first sexual intercourse will be something like this

"Man: Do I have your permission to kiss you?
Woman: Ok
Man: Do you consent to me touching your boobs and vagina?
Woman: Go ahead.
Man: I think this is the right moment for me to initiate the intercourse, can I insert my penis into your vagina?
Woman: I guess so.
Man; That doesn't work, I need a clear and precise answer from you, by the way you should speak louder and look at the camera when you answer, so that the recording can be admissible in a court of law.
Woman: Wut?"

Pretty much this!

 

I’ve never asked for permission to have sex in my whole life.

I’ve also been sexually harassed on New Years Eve. I told the girl to stop it. 

This is totally getting out of hand.



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Zoombael said:
If it wasnt for the title id have thought i read an extract from a cheesy romance novel like 50 shades of something.

I thought the guy was some famous fortune teller on American pay TV, from reading the title.



VGPolyglot said:
DarthVolod said:

Perhaps, but they are not helping their case as sane rational members of the species really when it has gotten to the point where we need contracts and consent forms just to have something as simple as sex ...

BTW, I would not trust a sex contract / consent form / Legal fling or whatever. That could be thrown out in 5 sec by any judge that is biased in favor of women (basically all of them). "your honor ... he forced me to sign it..." "Throw the book at him, sexual assault / rape charges!"

Yes, because it's outrageous to ask for consent before having sex. It's not just a woman thing either, if a woman is making advances on a man or another woman, or a man is making advances on another man, they should ask for consent before they do anything.

Mr Puggsly said:

Wanting to have sex doesn't mean you perceive them solely as sexual objects.

Guys wanna have sex, this is reality. I thought women enjoyed sex as well, but maybe not as enjoyable as feeling like a victim?

Quite frankly, why would a woman let herself get undressed and have no interest in sex? I can honestly say I wouldn't let Aziz undress me, let alone attempt penetration. Makes no sense.

I didn't say that women didn't enjoy sex, but just like men, there are certain times, places, situations/circumstances and people that they want to have sex, making sure that it's what they want is the best way to avoid situations like this.

JWeinCom said:

Do I have to explain the difference between punching someone and making amorous advances on a date?

Punching someone without their consent is violence. Having sex without someone's permission (i.e. rape) is also violence.

KLXVER said:

or else it turns into 20 questions every time... 

Well, if you really want the sex, you should be willnig to put up with that if that's what it takes.

pokoko said:

One of the worst analogies I've ever seen in my entire life.

I'm glad to have made you proud

Unless you are missing that from saying hello, inviting to dinner, approaching to kiss, going to the apartment, taking clothes out doesn't sign as continuous consent until the person say no then you are just crazy... Because your analogy of crossing someone in the street and punching him would go to crossing someone on the street and inserting the penis on that person, while the other situation would be two people in a box ring fighting without asking at every single punch if they can keep doing it but stopping when the other person forfeit.

Are you adhering to those people that think that if you kiss your wife while she is still sleeping it is rape because she didn't consent to be kissed at that moment?



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maxleresistant said:

I'm just glad to be married and not have to be in the dating game anymore.

Seriously, a few months from now a first sexual intercourse will be something like this

"Man: Do I have your permission to kiss you?
Woman: Ok
Man: Do you consent to me touching your boobs and vagina?
Woman: Go ahead.
Man: I think this is the right moment for me to initiate the intercourse, can I insert my penis into your vagina?
Woman: I guess so.
Man; That doesn't work, I need a clear and precise answer from you, by the way you should speak louder and look at the camera when you answer, so that the recording can be admissible in a court of law.
Woman: Wut?"

 the problem is people trying to control sexual interaction because they think women are incapable of autonomy



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DonFerrari said:
VGPolyglot said:

Yes, because it's outrageous to ask for consent before having sex. It's not just a woman thing either, if a woman is making advances on a man or another woman, or a man is making advances on another man, they should ask for consent before they do anything.

I didn't say that women didn't enjoy sex, but just like men, there are certain times, places, situations/circumstances and people that they want to have sex, making sure that it's what they want is the best way to avoid situations like this.

Punching someone without their consent is violence. Having sex without someone's permission (i.e. rape) is also violence.

Well, if you really want the sex, you should be willnig to put up with that if that's what it takes.

I'm glad to have made you proud

Unless you are missing that from saying hello, inviting to dinner, approaching to kiss, going to the apartment, taking clothes out doesn't sign as continuous consent until the person say no then you are just crazy... Because your analogy of crossing someone in the street and punching him would go to crossing someone on the street and inserting the penis on that person, while the other situation would be two people in a box ring fighting without asking at every single punch if they can keep doing it but stopping when the other person forfeit.

Are you adhering to those people that think that if you kiss your wife while she is still sleeping it is rape because she didn't consent to be kissed at that moment?

I didn't say anything about it being someone crossing the street. There are different levels of comfortability, because someone is fine taking their clothes off and having oral sex doesn't mean that all of a sudden means that she wants her vagina penetrated and ejaculated in. I don't think that Aziz Ansari should be criminally responsible for what he did, but I think that he could have avoided this situation by just asking.



maxleresistant said:

I'm just glad to be married and not have to be in the dating game anymore.

Seriously, a few months from now a first sexual intercourse will be something like this

"Man: Do I have your permission to kiss you?
Woman: Ok
Man: Do you consent to me touching your boobs and vagina?
Woman: Go ahead.
Man: I think this is the right moment for me to initiate the intercourse, can I insert my penis into your vagina?
Woman: I guess so.
Man; That doesn't work, I need a clear and precise answer from you, by the way you should speak louder and look at the camera when you answer, so that the recording can be admissible in a court of law.
Woman: Wut?"

You forgot all the questions in between to make sure her silence doesn't mean "no".



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o_O.Q said:
maxleresistant said:

I'm just glad to be married and not have to be in the dating game anymore.

Seriously, a few months from now a first sexual intercourse will be something like this

"Man: Do I have your permission to kiss you?
Woman: Ok
Man: Do you consent to me touching your boobs and vagina?
Woman: Go ahead.
Man: I think this is the right moment for me to initiate the intercourse, can I insert my penis into your vagina?
Woman: I guess so.
Man; That doesn't work, I need a clear and precise answer from you, by the way you should speak louder and look at the camera when you answer, so that the recording can be admissible in a court of law.
Woman: Wut?"

 the problem is people trying to control sexual interaction because they think women are incapable of autonomy

The problem is that most women are afraid of controling the sexual interaction, I've been with a number of women, only one was actually capable of leading things in the bedroom, the other ones I actually had to "teach them" that they should lead a little, be more communicative about what they want.

Maybe things have changed, I've been with the same woman for 7 years, but seriously, if I didn't initiated things with some of those women, nothing would have ever happened, and I wouldn't be married.

That's the problem, most women wants men to lead, but they won't say anything, they won't say what they like etc. So you just have to stumble and figure things out, that's also why sex gets better the more you do it , you get to know each others etc.

All that stupid verbal consent and everything is just sad. But whatever, that's not a problem for me. Good luck with that people



If you go into a boxing ring with someone with gloves on (getting naked) then trade some body blows (oral sex) don't expect them to ask for verbal permission before they try to punch you in the face (sex). You really should let the person know the face off limit (sex).



maxleresistant said:
o_O.Q said:

 the problem is people trying to control sexual interaction because they think women are incapable of autonomy

The problem is that most women are afraid of controling the sexual interaction, I've been with a number of women, only one was actually capable of leading things in the bedroom, the other ones I actually had to "teach them" that they should lead a little, be more communicative about what they want.

Maybe things have changed, I've been with the same woman for 7 years, but seriously, if I didn't initiated things with some of those women, nothing would have ever happened, and I wouldn't be married.

That's the problem, most women wants men to lead, but they won't say anything, they won't say what they like etc. So you just have to stumble and figure things out, that's also why sex gets better the more you do it , you get to know each others etc.

All that stupid verbal consent and everything is just sad. But whatever, that's not a problem for me. Good luck with that people

no way, that can't be, aren't men and women the same psychologically?