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Mr Puggsly said:
Aeolus451 said:
I think he should sue her and the one who published the story for defamation. I'm sure he's blacklisted over this.

It wouldn't help his image and wouldn't get anything out of it.

Its not really defamation, its just fucked up she allowed things happen and then uses it attack him. I don't think there is a case here but she's a douche.

It is defamation because she accused him and he's losing work/his career over it. Either they report it to police and they investigate into the claims or they just be quiet about it. I'm getting tired of lawless witchhunts.



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Smartie900 said:
Ansari wasn't good at reading the signals the girl put out. When someone is in a situation where they're deeply uncomfortable and tense, they don't always have the willpower to refuse a request and say 'no'. I can sympathize with the girl and it is understandable that she would want to come out and voice her concerns. However, Ansari doesn't deserve to be vilified for being ignorant on how to read social signals. He expressed regret over the situation privately and seemed to genuinely care about the mental state of the girl. To me, this just seems like a an awkward situation where two people didn't know how to properly communicate with each other.

This.

Apparently she tried to give 'non-verbal' signals at first and then when he seemed to ignore her going stiff and not kissing him back and stuff like that, she eventually voiced her concerns, probably too late.

Yes, he's a man of relative power, yes it might have been an intimidating situation for her, but by all accounts when she actually voiced her unwillingness he called her a cab and she went home. Yes, men need to learn how to pay attention to the situation, non-verbal cues and all, and not be blinded by hornyness, but women also need to clearly voice if they feel uncomfortable.

Was he oblivious? Yes, probably. Was it with malicious intent? Probably not. Could he have asked if she was comfortable with the situation at some point in the evening? Sure.

Apparently I'm very oblivious to romantic/sexual cues and it was nervewrecking for my BF to try and hook up with me because I didn't give him any indication, one way or the other. That wasn't on purpose and I wasn't trying to lead him on either, but to me, we had spend two very nice days toghether and were in a good conversation atm. I was open to more obviously since he's my current BF, but I didn't give him any obvious indicator either.

What I'm trying to say is, we probably need to get this notion out of our heads that asking about things and talking is 'ankward' or 'destroys the moment'. If it just becomes more normal to go:'Hey, I'd like to have sex with you, how about you?' and also be an adult about it, should the answer be 'no' or 'no for now', everybody wins.



Ka-pi96 said:
vivster said:

Not to ever visit the US in the first place has been a great advice for decades. And I'm going to continue to take that advice.

Unless you want cheap easy to acquire guns... then you should go there asap!

Good luck getting to a gun shop when you're already dead the first step out of the airport doors.

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Like the vast majority of people on both sides the response to this is. Wtf? As soon as she said no he stopped and asked if she wanted to put their clothes on and watch TV..



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Ka-pi96 said:
vivster said:

Good luck getting to a gun shop when you're already dead the first step out of the airport doors.

Well I wouldn't be surprised if they had airport gun shops, so you might not even need to go out the airport doors

That is if your plane doesn't take a surprise detour through a skyscraper.



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Aeolus451 said:
Mr Puggsly said:

It wouldn't help his image and wouldn't get anything out of it.

Its not really defamation, its just fucked up she allowed things happen and then uses it attack him. I don't think there is a case here but she's a douche.

It is defamation because she accused him and he's losing work/his career over it. Either they report it to police and they investigate into the claims or they just be quiet about it. I'm getting tired of lawless witchhunts.

Its not really accusing him of wrong doing per se, it sounded more like an odd sexual encounter that she could have apparently stopped, leave, whatever.

Defamation is hurting someone's reputation with lies, I don't think that's the case and it would be difficult to prove.

If more women come out against Aziz, then he's done. If its just one girl, then some people might think he's creepy but it shouldn't ruin his career.

I bet there is some irony here. Those of us who think this is BS probably aren't fans of him or his politics. While his fans are left leaning, so this is a movement that eats its own sometimes.



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All these no-mind-reader abusers... He should go to jail because he couldn't see that the girl that was being silent didn't want sex.

This is what happens when you go overboard to put everything as sexual assault.



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Mr Puggsly said:
Aeolus451 said:

It is defamation because she accused him and he's losing work/his career over it. Either they report it to police and they investigate into the claims or they just be quiet about it. I'm getting tired of lawless witchhunts.

Its not really accusing him of wrong doing per se, it sounded more like an odd sexual encounter that she could have apparently stopped, leave, whatever.

Defamation is hurting someone's reputation with lies, I don't think that's the case and it would be difficult to prove.

If more women come out against Aziz, then he's done. If its just one girl, then some people might think he's creepy but it shouldn't ruin his career.

I bet there is some irony here. Those of us who think this is BS probably aren't fans of him or his politics. While his fans are left leaning, so this is a movement that eats its own sometimes.

He's being accused of sexual assault and he's already blacklisted. It did damage his reputation beyond repair. I'm sure he can sue some people over this. Anyway, you're right about the left eating their own and a lot of his defenders don't like him or subscribe to his politics.



Mr Puggsly said:
Aeolus451 said:

It is defamation because she accused him and he's losing work/his career over it. Either they report it to police and they investigate into the claims or they just be quiet about it. I'm getting tired of lawless witchhunts.

Its not really accusing him of wrong doing per se, it sounded more like an odd sexual encounter that she could have apparently stopped, leave, whatever.

Defamation is hurting someone's reputation with lies, I don't think that's the case and it would be difficult to prove.

If more women come out against Aziz, then he's done. If its just one girl, then some people might think he's creepy but it shouldn't ruin his career.

I bet there is some irony here. Those of us who think this is BS probably aren't fans of him or his politics. While his fans are left leaning, so this is a movement that eats its own sometimes.

I personally love when the left wing damage one another due to their exaggeration and distortion.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."