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Aziz Ansari Is Guilty. Of Not Being a Mind Reader - NYT

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I'm not going to blame the victim here. If she felt it was her right to call him out publicly for this scenario then she must feel pretty strongly about it. I'll give her the benefit of the doubt, because I think that is one of the main messages of this movement more than anything. We must give credence to the allegations and not just slide them under the rug.

That being said, I've known more than a few women who would rather a man be more dominant. They don't want to be asked to be kissed; they want to be kissed. They don't want to ask to be ravaged; they want you to take control and show them you are a man.

Obviously no means no. There's no getting around that and anyone who says otherwise and makes a girl feel guilty for giving him "blue balls" needs to take a quick trip to the bathroom to freshen up or just have the emotional dignity to understand that sex is a consensual event no matter the time or relationship between the partners.

But...you can not deny that stories such as this one make an already uncomfortable grey area that much more prone to awkwardness. I for one don't want some girl blowing up Twitter or Facebook with allegations so I'll steer clear and make sure she makes the first move. It'll be a lonely road, but I'd rather have the happy company of myself than suffer the humiliation of an awkward, misread tryst that results in me being ostracized by my closest friends.



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zedim said:
VGPolyglot said:

Why should she have to say no first, shouldn't he ask first?

i dont know your age but this is clearly an answer by someone who is not used to relationships, but its really socially awkward to ask if you can make a move, you just go with the flow and do it, if someone doesnt want they make it clearly obvious, this aint rocket science its mating, its pretty obvious. she even admits she gives him a blowj** for christ sake. 

Yeah, it could be awkward, especially in the current social norms where asking explicitly for permission is for some reason seen as undesirable, but it would definitely help reduce the number of instances like this where people get into situations that they're not comfortable with.



VGPolyglot said:
zedim said:

i dont know your age but this is clearly an answer by someone who is not used to relationships, but its really socially awkward to ask if you can make a move, you just go with the flow and do it, if someone doesnt want they make it clearly obvious, this aint rocket science its mating, its pretty obvious. she even admits she gives him a blowj** for christ sake. 

Yeah, it could be awkward, especially in the current social norms where asking explicitly for permission is for some reason seen as undesirable, but it would definitely help reduce the number of instances like this where people get into situations that they're not comfortable with.

Honestly the fastest way to turn off a woman is to act like some kind of Mormon and ask for permission for sex / kissing / holding hand / etc. May as well follow it up with "I'm unemployed and live with my parents" just to really make sure you scare her off. 

In all seriousness though, it is getting to the point where it is like why even bother with women anymore? One day soon we will have sex dolls / robots that are close enough to the real thing, and doctors are already toying with the idea of an artificial womb ... will be no need to interact with women at all really when that technology is perfected. There will be strong vocal resistance to both of these things from women for obvious reasons though...

I envy gay men in many ways. They don't have to deal with this nonsense. 



DarthVolod said:
VGPolyglot said:

Yeah, it could be awkward, especially in the current social norms where asking explicitly for permission is for some reason seen as undesirable, but it would definitely help reduce the number of instances like this where people get into situations that they're not comfortable with.

Honestly the fastest way to turn off a woman is to act like some kind of Mormon and ask for permission for sex / kissing / holding hand / etc. May as well follow it up with "I'm unemployed and live with my parents" just to really make sure you scare her off. 

In all seriousness though, it is getting to the point where it is like why even bother with women anymore? One day soon we will have sex dolls / robots that are close enough to the real thing, and doctors are already toying with the idea of an artificial womb ... will be no need to interact with women at all really when that technology is perfected. There will be strong vocal resistance to both of these things from women for obvious reasons though...

I envy gay men in many ways. They don't have to deal with this nonsense. 

Maybe because women are more than just things to have sex with?



VGPolyglot said:
DarthVolod said:

Honestly the fastest way to turn off a woman is to act like some kind of Mormon and ask for permission for sex / kissing / holding hand / etc. May as well follow it up with "I'm unemployed and live with my parents" just to really make sure you scare her off. 

In all seriousness though, it is getting to the point where it is like why even bother with women anymore? One day soon we will have sex dolls / robots that are close enough to the real thing, and doctors are already toying with the idea of an artificial womb ... will be no need to interact with women at all really when that technology is perfected. There will be strong vocal resistance to both of these things from women for obvious reasons though...

I envy gay men in many ways. They don't have to deal with this nonsense. 

Maybe because women are more than just things to have sex with?

Perhaps, but they are not helping their case as sane rational members of the species really when it has gotten to the point where we need contracts and consent forms just to have something as simple as sex ...

BTW, I would not trust a sex contract / consent form / Legal fling or whatever. That could be thrown out in 5 sec by any judge that is biased in favor of women (basically all of them). "your honor ... he forced me to sign it..." "Throw the book at him, sexual assault / rape charges!"



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This is an excellent rebuttal. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4bAULTwAJU&feature=youtu.be

The encounter described with Ansari belittles actual sexual abuse. Similar in vein to Louis C.K. 



So basically; She pretty much did everything with him and his dingaling, but as soon as he wants to put it in her, she says no, he stops, then she cries her way home and claims sexual harassment?

... Isn't Aziz Ansari basically a feminist with a penis?



VGPolyglot said:
DarthVolod said:

Honestly the fastest way to turn off a woman is to act like some kind of Mormon and ask for permission for sex / kissing / holding hand / etc. May as well follow it up with "I'm unemployed and live with my parents" just to really make sure you scare her off. 

In all seriousness though, it is getting to the point where it is like why even bother with women anymore? One day soon we will have sex dolls / robots that are close enough to the real thing, and doctors are already toying with the idea of an artificial womb ... will be no need to interact with women at all really when that technology is perfected. There will be strong vocal resistance to both of these things from women for obvious reasons though...

I envy gay men in many ways. They don't have to deal with this nonsense. 

Maybe because women are more than just things to have sex with?

Wanting to have sex doesn't mean you perceive them solely as sexual objects.

Guys wanna have sex, this is reality. I thought women enjoyed sex as well, but maybe not as enjoyable as feeling like a victim?

Quite frankly, why would a woman let herself get undressed and have no interest in sex? I can honestly say I wouldn't let Aziz undress me, let alone attempt penetration. Makes no sense.



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So basically; She pretty much did everything with him and his dingaling, but as soon as he wants to put it in her, she says no, he stops, then she cries her way home and claims sexual harassment?

... Isn't Aziz Ansari basically a feminist with a penis?

This seems to be pretty much what went down, it reads to me like a pretty shit night out for both parties and now it's on the internet beat by beat for every one to read, I would hope he will be consoled for the exposing of a night out with him turning into a global experience if she wanted to actually go down the route of the law about what happened she would have done so, not gone to social media/reporters.



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