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Forums - Sales Discussion - Global Hardware 23 December 2017

So. This is the second to last week that PS3, XB360, and Wii U will be on the charts. Just want to point out the complete thrashing the dominant Vita delivered to the Wii U yet again. Almost 27 -1 this week.



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RolStoppable said:
PS4 losing badly in America and Japan. Switch looking a lot better in Europe now.

The biggest numerical gap in the Chart between PS4 and Switch is in europe. Yet "it's losing badly in America and Japan"?

"Switch looking better in Europe". Well the EU/JP sales increased, while US sales decreased compared to last week (for now - will probably adjusted up). For all it matters, Christmas week sales should be higher than the weeks before it, yet that's not the case in the US.

If you're writing biased comments, at leats have numbers that back them up.



Pillertriller said:
RolStoppable said:

Did you check which continent it belongs to?

Its part of europe were the PS4 totally destroys the switch

But... globally in Europe in France.



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kazuyamishima said:
mZuzek said:

...and apparently they were right?

Exactly, but even with that, and that the stock issues seems to be solved, the PS4 managed to outsold the switch WW, barely, but it did.

 

for now....

I don’t know where you got that stock issues are solved when we hear every week about issues to this very day. Heck, last week even games like Odyssey had stock issues. It’s not because it’s selling well that stock problems are solved.

Besides, this is supposed to be PS4’s peak year or close to it. Imagine what Switch will sell on its prime...

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Sad to see no one broke the 1M barrier.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

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RolStoppable said:
Aeolus451 said:

Nope. Just that your point about France doesn't really counter "There's nothing nintendo can do about Europe" .

But it does. Since the GfK numbers for France have been revealed, all of Europe has been adjusted up by VGC. This in turn means that Switch is doing well in Europe, so portraying Europe as a worrisome region for Nintendo has no basis in reality.

So since PS4 is doing good in Asia it is also doing good in Japan right?



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

i have a question....

let's assume the PS4 has reached it's peak. and let's assume it only manages to sell 15M consoles this year and the NS sells 20M consoles this year.

let's also assume that in 2019 the PS4 only manages 10M sales and the NS pulls in another 20M year.

How long will it take for the NS to reach or better yet pass the PS4?



Switch is dominating right now.



Very close week, but still happy to see the PS4 edge a win out somehow.



RolStoppable said:

The PS4 launched ~3.25 years before Switch. The 3DS launched ~1.75 years before the PS4, and the PS4 needed four years to pass it. Logically, since the PS4 peaked higher than the 3DS, Switch peaking higher than the PS4 would mean that Switch will still need at least four years, so anything before spring 2021 can be ruled out; however, the PS4 also had a headstart over Switch ~1.5 years longer than the 3DS had over the PS4, so it is a good idea to tack that on, bringing the earliest point to fall 2022. Taking the comparison further, it's a given that the PS4 will have a better tail than the 3DS, so Switch passing the PS4 gets pushed further back and therefore any date in 2022 can be ruled out while any first half date in 2023 would still qualify as farfetched.

If the comparison is made launch-aligned, then Switch is already ahead of the PS4. At the moment it's temporarily due to the different launch timings and holiday periods not aligning, but your suggested year 2 and year 3 figures for Switch would put Switch ahead for good.

Thanks for that.

I don't agree with launch aligning anything. As I feel it's a metric used (almost desperately) to balance the scales. But the real world doesn't work that way. A platform sells what a platform sells. Eg it doesn't matter if launch aligned the Wii is outpacing the PS4 if at the end of the day the PS4 sells 120M to the Wii's 100M. Same way it doesn't matter if the PS4 is outpacing the PS2 if the PERSON sells 150M to the PS4s 120M. 

now why I asked this question. is that I was trying to point out how irrelevant comparing sales of the PS4 to the NS is. I expect the NS to do well. but right now, the only comparison between the two that is relevant is how many units they both sell before their respective successors come into the market. there are too many different factors ranging from launch years to launch prices to form factors to make these comparisons fair in any way. 

by the time the NS gets to 100M (assuming it does) we could very well be in the 2nd or 3rd year of the PS5. i mean even if the NS sells 30M units net year adding to this year's 20M... it will still not reach the PS4 by the time the PAST hits the market. Which brings us back to the only relevant comparison being total lifetime sales.