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twintail said:
GOWTLOZ said: 

Kratos is then sent on a quest to kill Ares who plots to overthrow Olympus and the Gods promise to forgive him for his sins which was perpetuated by Ares and not his fault. He does as told but then they back out of it saying that he is forgiven for his sins but has to live with their memories.

 

torok said:  Either way, he still followed the Gods, doing their deeds with the promise they would end his nightmares. Well, they order him to stop Ares so he does it and also gets a sweet revenge. Then the Gods act as even bigger douches and say "screw you, we won't remove your nightmares". 

I think you guys have this wrong. The gods dont back out of any promise they make. 

What Athena says to him at the beginning of GoW 1 that if he kills Ares then 'his past will be forgiven'. Obviously to Kratos, and to the gamer, we assume it to be what Kratos wants. But as we learn its his, and our own, misconception.  She never said that she would take away the memories that haunt him. And in the end she says his past is forgiven just as she promised. 

But this is important nonetheless since it highlights the fundamental flaw of Kratos: his inability to accept responsibility for this actions and therefore be unable to forgive himself what he did to his family. He can hide behind Ares tricking him, but he still killed his wife and daughter with his own hands. He wants the Gods to erase these memories (nightmares) because he cant accept what he did. He wants to kill himself because maybe that will end everything. But it doesn't. It wont. Its why family becomes a key theme in GoW3, especially with Pandora and Zeus mocking him etc. Kratos is so hellbent on getting revenge, and blaming others etc that he doesnt see who is really at fault: himself. And the final story arc of GoW3 is about this realisation. 

Likewise its important to note that Kratos view of the Gods only becomes one of pessimism as the games go on. Where he was once asking Ares for his help, he now feels betrayed and despises what the Gods represent. Not getting what he wanted in GoW is a defining point in him becoming unhinged... its also a defining point in the Gods ultimately sealing their own fate by thinking that can control a man who has suffered like he has suffered by making him a God. 

Also I disagree with the idea that he just wants all the gods dead. He just wants Zeus dead. The others just happen to stand in his way. Likewise, Kratos comes to the realisation that power cannot be placed in the hands of the Gods because he knows first hand that it just creates a cycle of control, but also indirectly a cycle of not assuming responsibility  for your own actions because man will just worship Gods whenever they need help (this is more metaphorical) . Kratos forgiving himself and reaching this point of accepting what he had down is the ultimate stand against the Gods. He doesnt need them. And he never did.  And this is how they lose their power and influence. 

When you promise something that the person assumes is X, but you ment Y and never tried to really set it straight you are tricking, manipulating and betraying.



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SegataSanshiro said:
He's vastly overrated and one of the worst characters in gaming. Not to mention he's an idiot.Yeah tricked like the idiot he is to kill his family. He's so broken up about it he fucks some whores. Asura has the same concept but executed much better in the story. I'm sorry but the GoW games I played, GoW 2, Chains of Olympus and Ascension are some of the shittiest action games I've ever played. There is no way Kratos is underrated. Is Mario underrated or Master Chief? Only one of the most popular around. Bullshit. He's an asshole all the way through. It's no wonder Kratos sucks as a character. David Jaffe directed GoW. Jaffe thinks what is cool at 13 years old is edgy and mature. (just look at the garbage that is Drawn to Death.)

One could infer that you are even more unidimensional and with anger issues than even Kratos himself.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

DonFerrari said:
SegataSanshiro said:
He's vastly overrated and one of the worst characters in gaming. Not to mention he's an idiot.Yeah tricked like the idiot he is to kill his family. He's so broken up about it he fucks some whores. Asura has the same concept but executed much better in the story. I'm sorry but the GoW games I played, GoW 2, Chains of Olympus and Ascension are some of the shittiest action games I've ever played. There is no way Kratos is underrated. Is Mario underrated or Master Chief? Only one of the most popular around. Bullshit. He's an asshole all the way through. It's no wonder Kratos sucks as a character. David Jaffe directed GoW. Jaffe thinks what is cool at 13 years old is edgy and mature. (just look at the garbage that is Drawn to Death.)

One could infer that you are even more unidimensional and with anger issues than even Kratos himself.

Maybe he is so angry with sony because they totally destroyed the poor dreamcast with the ps2? 



Hynad said:
SegataSanshiro said:
He's vastly overrated and one of the worst characters in gaming. Not to mention he's an idiot.Yeah tricked like the idiot he is to kill his family. He's so broken up about it he fucks some whores. Asura has the same concept but executed much better in the story. I'm sorry but the GoW games I played, GoW 2, Chains of Olympus and Ascension are some of the shittiest action games I've ever played. There is no way Kratos is underrated. Is Mario underrated or Master Chief? Only one of the most popular around. Bullshit. He's an asshole all the way through. It's no wonder Kratos sucks as a character. David Jaffe directed GoW. Jaffe thinks what is cool at 13 years old is edgy and mature. (just look at the garbage that is Drawn to Death.)

Per your post history, it's like you think everything is shit.

Especially if it's Sony related.

Wrong. I love my PS4. have 50 retail games for it. In fact PS4 is the first modern home  console to be among my favorites of all time. I'm in the trophy league. I have every Sony system including PocketStation and PSP and Vita are my favorite handhelds of all time. You can check in my sig. It's clickable.  I find it funny I sometimes get accused of hating Nintendo or Sony when I own every major system they made. here is my PSN profile https://psnprofiles.com/RyudoAdam



DonFerrari said:
SegataSanshiro said:
He's vastly overrated and one of the worst characters in gaming. Not to mention he's an idiot.Yeah tricked like the idiot he is to kill his family. He's so broken up about it he fucks some whores. Asura has the same concept but executed much better in the story. I'm sorry but the GoW games I played, GoW 2, Chains of Olympus and Ascension are some of the shittiest action games I've ever played. There is no way Kratos is underrated. Is Mario underrated or Master Chief? Only one of the most popular around. Bullshit. He's an asshole all the way through. It's no wonder Kratos sucks as a character. David Jaffe directed GoW. Jaffe thinks what is cool at 13 years old is edgy and mature. (just look at the garbage that is Drawn to Death.)

One could infer that you are even more unidimensional and with anger issues than even Kratos himself.

My opinions come off strong but don't mistake it for anger. People often misunderstand that about me. I'm not angry ever. I just voice myself forcefully.



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SegataSanshiro said:
Hynad said:

Per your post history, it's like you think everything is shit.

Especially if it's Sony related.

Wrong. I love my PS4. have 50 retail games for it. In fact PS4 is the first modern home  console to be among my favorites of all time. I'm in the trophy league. I have every Sony system including PocketStation and PSP and Vita are my favorite handhelds of all time. You can check in my sig. It's clickable.  I find it funny I sometimes get accused of hating Nintendo or Sony when I own every major system they made. here is my PSN profile https://psnprofiles.com/RyudoAdam

Sure own the consoles. But you shit on most (if not all) Sony made games.



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Hynad said:
SegataSanshiro said:

Wrong. I love my PS4. have 50 retail games for it. In fact PS4 is the first modern home  console to be among my favorites of all time. I'm in the trophy league. I have every Sony system including PocketStation and PSP and Vita are my favorite handhelds of all time. You can check in my sig. It's clickable.  I find it funny I sometimes get accused of hating Nintendo or Sony when I own every major system they made. here is my PSN profile https://psnprofiles.com/RyudoAdam

Sure own the consoles. But you shit on most (if not all) Sony made games.

No, I don't. That's a hyperbole. I have been lobbying for a Ape Escape Remake on PS4 and been wanting a new Medievil for more than a decade. I loved Gravity Rush 1 but yes 2 was a letdown, mainly because of 1 mission that sadly ruined the game for me. The missile mission.  I have Wipeout Omega Collection and love it. Sony was the only one to publish Grandia in the west, one of my favorite RPG series. Tear Ring Saga is fantastic from the creator of Fire Emblem, still not as good as Shining Force but still a great game.  I really enjoyed the first Genji. Mark of Kri was a great game and an underrated forgotten Sony published the game. I love the Sly Cooper series. Rogue Galaxy is one of the best RPGs on PS2. Sony published another great RPG series I miss Wild Arms. Folklore is a great game and they published that. I adore the game Rain from Sony. So much so I imported the Japanese physical copy full price when it came out. I really liked Journey and Flower and imported the Journey collection on PS4. Guess what I don't like every SEGA series either. I don't care for every Nintendo IP either. I guess I hate everything they do then huh.



SegataSanshiro said:
DonFerrari said:

One could infer that you are even more unidimensional and with anger issues than even Kratos himself.

My opinions come off strong but don't mistake it for anger. People often misunderstand that about me. I'm not angry ever. I just voice myself forcefully.

Welll. It's true that texting can make a confusion between rage or just being hard...

But I was joking off, still there are to many threads where you comment about games as if you hate most =p



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Hynad said:
SegataSanshiro said:

Wrong. I love my PS4. have 50 retail games for it. In fact PS4 is the first modern home  console to be among my favorites of all time. I'm in the trophy league. I have every Sony system including PocketStation and PSP and Vita are my favorite handhelds of all time. You can check in my sig. It's clickable.  I find it funny I sometimes get accused of hating Nintendo or Sony when I own every major system they made. here is my PSN profile https://psnprofiles.com/RyudoAdam

Sure own the consoles. But you shit on most (if not all) Sony made games.

I've been paying attention. He really shits on everything from everybody. He shits without discrimination.



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d21lewis said:
Hynad said:

Sure own the consoles. But you shit on most (if not all) Sony made games.

I've been paying attention. He really shits on everything from everybody. He shits without discrimination.

Not the vibe I got, but if you say so, I will believe you.



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