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Sprash said:
Fun Fact: the ps4 was heavenly criticised for the many ports it got, but we can't do the same for nintendo I guess.

Fun Fact: The PS4 was heavily defended by fans from the critic, but we aren't allowed to do the same for Nintendo I guess.



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kopstudent89 said:
Lucas-Rio said:
There are no shovelwares.

However, there are way too many ports....

For Wii U owners, the planning of the first six months 2018 is completely empty. That's terrible.

I agree, Wii U owners won't be too happy. That said seeing s the Wii U had such a small install base, some gamers will be excited for the likes of Bayonetta and DK. I never owned DK so i'm quite excited about it but overall the first few months aren't exciting at all (for most systems actually bar RD2 nothing much going on).

I am a WiiU-owner, but I never played Dark Sould and The World ends with you, and these titles always interested me. Also I think about repurchasing Hyrule Warriors, as it was a great game and the outlook to play it on the go is great.



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Ports sure, froma console nobody bought so it makes 100% sense.

But shovelware? now that's completely made out.



curl-6 said:
Mnementh said:

Look at PS4 int the beginning. Tomb Raider, Skyrim, GTA V, Last of US - the PS4 was the pinnacle of recycled content. The lack of great new games led to Sony PR pushing The Order above what it was. If it had been marketed as a proper mid- to low-level game (which it was) the backlash wouldn't have been that big. But as PR painted it as major AAA-title the people were disappointed. Sony would've never done that, if they had proper AAA-material to show. Nintendo has looked at that. Ports work.

"PS4 did it too" doesn't make it okay though. PS4 rightly caught a lot of flak (to which I contributed) for overloading on reheated ports in place of actual substantial new games early in its life. It would be hypocritical of me to give Nintendo a free pass for doing the same.

At this stage, we're looking at Kirby and Mario Tennis representing the only significant new games of Q1-2 for the Switch. Both look like fine games, but they're hardly system sellers, and ultimately 2 games in half a year just isn't enough. Granted, there is still time for them to announce a surprise heavy hitter for May/June, but if they don't, that's a very lackluster first semester.

OK, it is fair. I agree the PS4 was criticized for that too. My point basically was, that the PS4 sold well despite that, so I think the Switch will be OK. Nevertheless, in the first year the Switch also got some great non-ports (as Breath of the Wild released at the same time I consider it multiplat, not port, just like Persona 5). As a WiiU-owner who bought most of the games now getting ports I'm more or less fine with the lineup, although so far 2018 doesn't look like too much. Dark Souls and TWEWY though makes me happy.



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Mnementh said:
Sprash said:
Fun Fact: the ps4 was heavenly criticised for the many ports it got, but we can't do the same for nintendo I guess.

Fun Fact: The PS4 was heavily defended by fans from the critic, but we aren't allowed to do the same for Nintendo I guess.

and we are back to the but, but, but them too



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that the switch is getting some ports at the moment, is that so they can many games in a short time, what is important at the beginning



Remasters and last-gen ports are now commonplace across all three platform holders. They don't take as long to produce and help pad out the library. Also many people did not get to play games like Tropical Freeze because the Wii U did not sell well(sadly) so they Donkey Kong brand benefits as does the Switch brand. I don't see a problem with this as the console has not been out even a year and already has an amazing Zelda title as well as an amazing Mario title. Chances are very high that Switch will receive it's own Smash Bros/Mario Kart etc in a few years although I do see a port of Super Smash Bros. happening in the next 12 months.



Sprash said:
Mnementh said:

Fun Fact: The PS4 was heavily defended by fans from the critic, but we aren't allowed to do the same for Nintendo I guess.

and we are back to the but, but, but them too

Your sentence contained a but. I made fun of it.

Yes, PS4 got criticized. Back then I was surprised the PS4 sold well despite that. I realized it is not that important. Now Nintendo does the same with Switch, and again it works. Would more new games make me happy? Sure, you can bet on it. But (yes, yes, yes, I said it) the PS4 got over time new titles. So I'm content this will happen with the Switch too. First year already looked better with Breath of the Wild (a multiplat is NOT a port), Fire Emblem Warriors, Arms, Kingdom Battle (which was to my surprise a great game), Mario Odyssey and Xenoblade Chronicles. 2018 looks not that great so far and suddenly it is all Doom and Gloom. But (I did it again) at January in 2017 we didn't know about all games I just mentioned.

And more to it, I think most of the ones complaining here about ports never owned a WiiU. So, from their point of view the games are new to them.

Also the shovelware argument is just ridiculous. Indies are (mostly) not shovelware. I don't get the Indie-hate here in these forums from some people. Games like Petz or random movie tie-ins are shovelware. Games that are made with minimal resources and no heart to get a quick buck. Indies are mostly dreams of their developers. Often they get into debts and take personal hardships (like no pay for some months) to get their dream-game ready. The resulting game is something different than the soulless game made for a movie to get some purchases from the hype.



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Mnementh said:
curl-6 said:

"PS4 did it too" doesn't make it okay though. PS4 rightly caught a lot of flak (to which I contributed) for overloading on reheated ports in place of actual substantial new games early in its life. It would be hypocritical of me to give Nintendo a free pass for doing the same.

At this stage, we're looking at Kirby and Mario Tennis representing the only significant new games of Q1-2 for the Switch. Both look like fine games, but they're hardly system sellers, and ultimately 2 games in half a year just isn't enough. Granted, there is still time for them to announce a surprise heavy hitter for May/June, but if they don't, that's a very lackluster first semester.

OK, it is fair. I agree the PS4 was criticized for that too. My point basically was, that the PS4 sold well despite that, so I think the Switch will be OK. Nevertheless, in the first year the Switch also got some great non-ports (as Breath of the Wild released at the same time I consider it multiplat, not port, just like Persona 5). As a WiiU-owner who bought most of the games now getting ports I'm more or less fine with the lineup, although so far 2018 doesn't look like too much. Dark Souls and TWEWY though makes me happy.

2 significant new games for the first half of the year just doesn't sit well with me. Maybe they'll pull a rabbit out their hat and give us a June surprise, but if what they've shown so far is all they've got, it's a pretty weak lineup. I mean, in that same timeframe PS4 is getting Ni No Kuni 2, Far Cry 5, Monster Hunter World, Dynasty Warriors 9...



Flilix said:
Dante9 said:

Metacritic scores are not a realiable metric for exclusive games, they only work for multiplats. Think about it. Exclusivity means that you have to buy a certain platform to get access to those games. You buy a certain platform for a reason, because you know beforehand that you will get the titles that you enjoy. This means that the scores for exclusive games are given only by hardcore fans of those games. What is missing from those scores are all the people who didn't even buy the platform in question, because they were not interested in what it has to offer. How do you think they would score those games? Well, they won't score them at all because they weren't convinced to even buy the required hardware to play them. This means the scores for exclusive games come solely from fanboys, basically. This is especially true for reiterative franchises like Mario and Zelda. Totally new entries at least have to do something to earn their fandom, I'll give you that much.

User scores on Metacritic are never reliable, since you don't need to actually play the game in order to write a review. Breath of the Wild for instance, got numerous reviews on the day it launched, even by people who literally admitted they hadn't even played it.

My post was based on critic scores, not user scores.