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o_O.Q said:
Kristof81 said:

One describes miracles, promises better life and threats with mass destruction, the other makes all of that happen.

The biggest threat is science in hands of religious lunatics.  

"threats with mass destruction"

the effects we've had on the biodiversity of this planet i would say have been massively destructive... millions of species sacrificed for technological advancement

then there's also as i've mentioned before the potential that we'll destroy the planet through flooding it via global warming

there's also the nuclear disasters of the past and the possibility of nuclear war in the future

what do you think of these examples that have nothing to do with religion but arguable have more far reaching consequences including the possible destruction of the planet?

We can, and have, quite successfuly kill biodiversity without much science at all. Ex: all the megafauna of the americas was hunted to extinction by primitives with sticks ans stones.



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Chrizum said:
o_O.Q said:

but scientific developments are what give people the capacity to cause great harm, if we didn't pollute the atmosphere, for example, global warming and the ridiculous amounts of destruction it has caused ( the loss of coral reefs and marine biodiversity ) and will cause on the future would not happen

Besides showing your colors prematurely with this response (you apparently think science is "worse" than religion), I think your reply is also very one-sided. Thanks to the scientific method we have medicine, we can feed the whole world, children hardly die on birth, we are mostly safe from extreme weather conditions, etc.

You are right that we are destroying the Earth as well which is a byproduct of scientific advancements. I too fear for the future of our planet, but the optimistic side of me thinks humans are an experimenting and empirically focused species. We do stuff, and then we find out what the consequences are. We learn from these experiences. I hope we learn fast enough to turn things around for the better.

Also, I noticed this earlier on these forums, but many people seem to think science and religion are two opposing sides. I don't agree with that notion at all. Many great scientists are religious for example. You don't have to be an idiot to be religious, and you don't have to deny scientific facts when you are religious...

"Besides showing your colors prematurely with this response (you apparently think science is "worse" than religion)"

no but i do think science has had more significant negative impacts on the planet than religion... and i don't think anyone can really disagree with that

 

"You are right that we are destroying the Earth as well which is a byproduct of scientific advancements. I too fear for the future of our planet, but the optimistic side of me thinks humans are an experimenting and empirically focused species. We do stuff, and then we find out what the consequences are. We learn from these experiences. I hope we learn fast enough to turn things around for the better."

i'm with you but there's a point at which the consequences are so dire that you're dead and can't learn from your mistakes and we've come very close to those types of scenarios in the past

 

"but many people seem to think science and religion are two opposing sides"

i don't




palou said:
o_O.Q said:

"threats with mass destruction"

the effects we've had on the biodiversity of this planet i would say have been massively destructive... millions of species sacrificed for technological advancement

then there's also as i've mentioned before the potential that we'll destroy the planet through flooding it via global warming

there's also the nuclear disasters of the past and the possibility of nuclear war in the future

what do you think of these examples that have nothing to do with religion but arguable have more far reaching consequences including the possible destruction of the planet?

We can, and have, quite successfuly kill biodiversity without much science at all. Ex: all the megafauna of the americas was hunted to extinction by primitives with sticks ans stones.

i'm not saying that naturally processes don't cause extinctions, i'm saying that the processes we developed have caused far more extinctions than natural processes do and will continue to do so



for me it's religion, because like in the past we have seen that were always the reason for war



There's nothing wrong with religion so I say science.



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Hedra42 said:
o_O.Q said:

but scientific developments are what give people the capacity to cause great harm, if we didn't pollute the atmosphere, for example, global warming and the ridiculous amounts of destruction it has caused ( the loss of coral reefs and marine biodiversity ) and will cause on the future would not happen

Science is about knowledge, religion is about belief. Both, if practiced the wrong way, have, and will continue to cause destruction. Both, if practiced in the right way, can only do good for humanity and the planet we inhabit.

Apply this to your point about science ruining the environment; it is only science used in ignorance that has done that. Science has been used to help us understand how we are ruining the planet, and measure the extent of it, and science is being used to develop ways to help save the planet.

 

"Science is about knowledge, religion is about belief."

have you seen an electron? do you believe they exist? if so why?

 

"Apply this to your point about science ruining the environment; it is only science used in ignorance that has done that."

science is always done with some degree of ignorance when practiced within a particular context for the first time

no one knows everything so there is always some gap in our knowledge with regards to things and that very often carries with it massive potential for harm

 

" Science has been used to help us understand how we are ruining the planet, and measure the extent of it, and science is being used to develop ways to help save the planet."

true i agree, but the planet wouldn't need saving if we didn't cause problems to begin with



VGPolyglot said:
What are we counting as science? Is every single technological innovation considered science? We need clearly defined terms before answering.

yeah pretty much



Science used by religious fanatics is pretty bad.



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An interesting question. To answer, I shall assume that to choose one is to neglect the other.

On one hand, the deeply spiritual Native Americans managed to live in harmony with their environment for millennia, favoring their spiritualism over technological advancement and, until given technology far beyond their imaginations, did not give much indication of much advancement. Though numerous tribes often went to war, humanity itself was never in peril.

At present, two nations have enough firepower to make the planet completely uninhabitable for human life, corporations and industry are catalysts for a runaway climate crisis and there's so much junk in low Earth orbit that there is a risk that accumulating debris could eventually be numerous enough to trap us here for a full century or two. These scenarios, completely impossible without great scientific achievement, puts humanity in peril.

Science has vastly improved humanity's quality and standard of living, at the possible expense of the continuity of our species. With primitive technology and virtually no mathematical/scientific knowledge, the human race could feasibly last far, far longer in spite of oppressive theocratic states endlessly murdering each other.

All things being equal, scientific knowledge/advancement poses a far greater threat to human life, but religion poses a far greater threat to a human's way of life.



numberwang said:
Religion is a science.

Science is a religion. Ultimate both priest and scientists ask us to believe in things we have no way of proving ourselves, whether it is a man in the sky or life on Jupiter. I cannot go to Jupiter to prove if this is true if Scientists say it is.

Anyway that’s for thought not argument and not the subject matter.

Good question. My answer is base on my own reasoning and is that both are equally responsible. I have read about the “arms race” between the Muslims and the Christians during the crusades. I don’t think it has stopped since.

There is a speech given by (I think it is Reagan) that say the US will always build the best and most advance weapons to protect the people, their country and their RELIGION - this is NOT a direct quote but this is what was definitely meant.

Dont Pakistan and now Iran say the same thing. The Indians have said the same thing to Pakistan obout thier people and religion. The Jews have thrown out similar quotes about protecting themselves and their way of live. 

Religion can bring hope were there is none (even if it is false or not) and Science can save, extend and make lives easier for many. Science can (and I am sure will) also wipe out these same lives in seconds with nuclear, biological and chemical weapons.

It is not all religion though, China, Russia and North Korea probably had very little religion on their minds when there were producing death.

Ultimately it just comes down to mankind. And mankind gave us Hitler and Stalin. Not saying that Trump and Kim are anywhere near that twisted but mankind also gave us those two as a reminder. Who knows what mankind will give us in the future.

Last edited by justinian - on 09 January 2018