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Intrinsic on 12 January 2018
Bofferbrauer2 said:
Intrinsic said:

nope. PS4pro and XB1 are not gen 8.5. they only thing that differs from them and older models is that they are packing more power. they are playing the exact same games. they are on the exact same OS and network. Same controllers. everything is the same. just more powerful. how !any games does the NS share with the WiiU? how many will it share by the end of it's life? with the PS4pro/XB1x, it's the exact same library. you don't have to buy a PS4pro to play horizon. you have to buy a NS to play arms or Mario though....

Then explain me why NECs TurbographX 16 and SupergraphX are 2 different gens, despite the SupergraphX only being a TurbographX on steroids and could read and play the exact same games and peripherals? Or the Gamecube and the Wii? Granted, the latter could do some more things, but everything the GC could to, the Wii could do it, too. So no, just being more powerful without changing the rest doesn't mean it has to be the same gen

coukd the GameCube play the Wii games?

to be the same gen then the hardware and software has to be forward and backward compatible. basically. there is only one PS4 library. doesn't matter if you are  playing it on the pro or the base console. 

and with your other example? I don't know why they did that. but because some people did some shit ages ago doesn't make it right. let's use common sense here. why should two separate hardware's that can't both play the same games library be grouped in the same generation of consoles just cause they are from the same manufacturer. And of course ignoring they are 4 years apart. 

 

the NS isn't an upgraded wiiu it's a whole entirely new platform. 



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JRPGfan on 13 January 2018
Bofferbrauer2 said:
Intrinsic said:

Isn't it funny how its conveniently ignored that Nintendo real 8th gen console is actually the WiiU? But yeah, lets all just keep pretending that a console released almost 4 years into an existing generation of consoles is in the same generation of console.

If you ask me the NS should be grouped into gen 8.5. being that its likely its successor won't release until 2022/2023.... which could very well be into the 3rd or 4th year of the actual 9th gen consoles from Sony and Microsoft.

WiiU launched in 2012, PS4/XB1 in 2013= 8th gen

XB360 in 2015, PS3/Wii 2016 = 7th gen

PS4+XB1 2013, NS in 2017.......... please, can anyone tell me how this is still considered an 8th gen console? Then what was the WiiU?

I agree, but then it would need to be grouped with XBOX and PS4 Pro as Gen 8.5 or "8th gen done right". And since we're not getting separated sales numbers of the upgraded consoles from Microsoft and Sony, it's only logical place is at 8th gen, at least right now

Their all selling now.... at the same time... they all belong to the same generation (this time periode).
Switch will spend most of its life, selling against the PS4/XB1.... its in the same gen of consoles as them.



Genos8 on 13 January 2018
JRPGfan said:
Bofferbrauer2 said:

I agree, but then it would need to be grouped with XBOX and PS4 Pro as Gen 8.5 or "8th gen done right". And since we're not getting separated sales numbers of the upgraded consoles from Microsoft and Sony, it's only logical place is at 8th gen, at least right now

Their all selling now.... at the same time... they all belong to the same generation (this time periode).
Switch will spend most of its life, selling against the PS4/XB1.... its in the same gen of consoles as them.

Switch is a 9th gen system and that's a simple fact. A console's gen is determined by the timing of it's own release. Wii u opened the 8th gen, switch replaced it 4 years later = new gen.

And by your logic, what if the x360 released in 2005 and no other console released untill 2008+? would that magically make the 360 a 6th gen? Hell no, it was a 7th gen as soon as it released.



Barkley on 13 January 2018
Genos8 said:
JRPGfan said:

Their all selling now.... at the same time... they all belong to the same generation (this time periode).
Switch will spend most of its life, selling against the PS4/XB1.... its in the same gen of consoles as them.

Switch is a 9th gen system and that's a simple fact. A console's gen is determined by the timing of it's own release. Wii u opened the 8th gen, switch replaced it 4 years later = new gen.

An "industry-wide console generation" (note this is different to specific manufacturers generations) is defined by it's life in relation to it's peers. Which is why if Nintendo went "Feck the Switch" cancelled it and released another Nintendo console to replace it in 2019, that console in 2019 wouldn't be a 10th generation machine. There's a good chance the Switch will be considered a 9th generation device in hindsight, that doesn't mean it's impossible it'll be considered an 8th generation device.

There may very well be more reasons to group it with ps4/xbo than ps5/xbo2. It all depends on when the ps5/xbo2 release, and how long the switch's lifespan is.

It is not a fact that the Switch is a 9th generation device as the reasons for it being so have yet to be set in stone. Like schrodinger's cat it could be considered both an 8th and 9th generation device until the "box" is opened. That box will open at a later date. But it isn't wrong to consider it a 9th generation machine, however you just shouldn't make arguments based on that, nor should you insist upon it at this time, and neither should those saying it's an 8th gen device.



Genos8 on 13 January 2018
Barkley said:
Genos8 said:

Switch is a 9th gen system and that's a simple fact. A console's gen is determined by the timing of it's own release. Wii u opened the 8th gen, switch replaced it 4 years later = new gen.

An "industry-wide console generation" (note this is different to specific manufacturers generations) is defined by it's life in relation to it's peers. Which is why if Nintendo went "Feck the Switch" cancelled it and released another Nintendo console to replace it in 2019, that console in 2019 wouldn't be a 10th generation machine. There's a good chance the Switch will be considered a 9th generation device in hindsight, that doesn't mean it's impossible it'll be considered an 8th generation device.

There may very well be more reasons to group it with ps4/xbo than ps5/xbo2. It all depends on when the ps5/xbo2 release, and how long the switch's lifespan is.

It is not a fact that the Switch is a 9th generation device as the reasons for it being so have yet to be set in stone. Like schrodinger's cat it could be considered both an 8th and 9th generation device until the "box" is opened. That box will open at a later date. But it isn't wrong to consider it a 9th generation machine, however you just shouldn't make arguments based on that, nor should you insist upon it at this time, and neither should those saying it's an 8th gen device.

Did nintendo cancel wii u and released the switch in 2015? No? Then your scenario bears no relevance to the discussion. Switch came 4 years after the 8th gen. A little sooner than usual but nothing unheard of. Again, the generation is defined the moment it releases (read the x360 example).

It doesn't matter if/when ps5/xbox something releases, they will only define their own gen. A 2019 system would be a late 9th gen but in the very unlikely scenario it takes untill 2020 for the next home console to release, it will be 10th gen while the switch remains as the only 9th gen ever.

That is how generations work.



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Barkley on 13 January 2018
Genos8 said:

A 2019 system would be a late 9th gen but in the very unlikely scenario it takes untill 2020 for the next home console to release, it will be 10th gen while the switch remains as the only 9th gen ever.

That is how generations work.

So you're saying if the ps5/xbo2 release in 2020 they'll be a 10th generation? And the Switch will be the only system in the 9th generation?

A generation in the terms of 1st-8th is always a group, one cannot be solitary otherwise it loses all meaning. Your views on generations is misguided.



Genos8 on 13 January 2018
Barkley said:
Genos8 said:

A 2019 system would be a late 9th gen but in the very unlikely scenario it takes untill 2020 for the next home console to release, it will be 10th gen while the switch remains as the only 9th gen ever.

That is how generations work.

So you're saying if the ps5/xbo2 release in 2020 they'll be a 10th generation? And the Switch will be the only system in the 9th generation?

A generation in the terms of 1st-8th is always a group, one cannot be solitary otherwise it loses all meaning. Your views on generations is misguided.

Generations are about timing and only required one individual. Again, would you consider the x360 6th gen if it took many years for another console to release?



Barkley on 13 January 2018
Genos8 said:
Barkley said:

So you're saying if the ps5/xbo2 release in 2020 they'll be a 10th generation? And the Switch will be the only system in the 9th generation?

A generation in the terms of 1st-8th is always a group, one cannot be solitary otherwise it loses all meaning. Your views on generations is misguided.

Generations are about timing and only required one individual. Again, would you consider the x360 6th gen if it took many years for another console to release?

There's a certain amount of give or take warranted, but a system should in general be put into the generation it spends the majority of it's life (prior to a successor) alongside.

So if ps3/wii weren't released till sometime after November 2009, then absolutely I'd group the 360 as a 6th generation machine. As for the majority of it's life until being replaced that was the newest generation.



PortisheadBiscuit on 22 January 2018
Hiku said:
PortisheadBiscuit said:

Possibly he answered my question, and that was the end of it? Why continue to press it? I was actually unaware of 3DS sales trajectory, I just always assumed Pokemon X/Y was the highest hardware year. It was not apparently...satisfied now? 

Because if one never acknowledges that they made a mistake while using a snarky attitude, they have less incentive to either look things up first next time, or question it in a more polite manner.
Like I said, I don't mind if people make honest mistakes. It happens to everyone, me included. But usually people acknowledge when they make mistakes, and don't ignore questions from others while continuing to post in the same topic.

Ummmm yeah, this was 2 weeks ago. Might wanna let that go no?



PortisheadBiscuit on 22 January 2018
PortisheadBiscuit said:
Hiku said:

Because if one never acknowledges that they made a mistake while using a snarky attitude, they have less incentive to either look things up first next time, or question it in a more polite manner.
Like I said, I don't mind if people make honest mistakes. It happens to everyone, me included. But usually people acknowledge when they make mistakes, and don't ignore questions from others while continuing to post in the same topic.

 

Or how about you let it go.... if quickrick had a problem with it let quickrick address it. You'r attempting to start drama where there is none 

Last edited by PortisheadBiscuit - on 22 January 2018