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RolStoppable said:
Normchacho said:

Am I? I'm pretty sure as far as the Switch goes I've said that I don't think it will outsell the Wii, I might have mentioned that I think the Switch will end up somewhere between 70-90 million units, but I've never tried to defend either of those as being any more than a guess. The only really concrete prediction or point I've made about Switch sales as far as I can remember is saying that it might be tough for the Switch to beat the PS4s first year. Even then it was a "eeehhh I don't know, that seems unlikely" and not the "Haha what?!?! You don't think the Switch is going to sell 100+ million units and crush everything forever?!?!? LOLOLOLOL" That this thread (and site) has been full of.

Yes, you are. It isn't solely about making predictions yourself, but also which side of an argument you support and defend.

When you do something like you are doing in this thread - portraying the people who think that Switch will sell very well as a ridiculous mob - then you become guilty by association. You don't have a neutral stance on this matter, hence why you portray the doubters as reasonable and the opposition as unreasonable. You explicitly state that this thread is an example of the behavior that you see, but here the main point of contention is not "Will Switch sell 100m+?" like you say, it's "Will Switch's year 2 be better than its year 1?" - And you portray the people who say that successful consoles don't peak in year 1 as rabid, even though all historic sales records show that consoles with a healthy first year like Switch do not peak in year 1.

You have absolutely missed the point. I also think the Switch will sell better in 2018 than in 2017. My post was about the fervor with which positions are being defended, and the hostility shown to those who disagree. Or even in some cases, those who don't agree strongly enough.

 

Your condescending tone, and your constant attempts to discredit people who disagree with you as bias while having seemingly no self awareness about your own bias makes you a perfect example of what I was talking about.



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Normchacho said:

You have absolutely missed the point. I also think the Switch will sell better in 2018 than in 2017. My post was about the fervor with which positions are being defended, and the hostility shown to those who disagree. Or even in some cases, those who don't agree strongly enough.

Your condescending tone, and your constant attempts to discredit people who disagree with you as bias while having seemingly no self awareness about your own bias makes you a perfect example of what I was talking about.

You don't see any hostility coming from those who say that Switch will be flat or down year over year?

As for bias, it's the explanation why people draw faulty conclusions based on available data. There's a very strong correlation between blatantly false Switch predictions and dislike for Nintendo. Now if you accuse me of bias, it doesn't really work because I got both the Wii U and Switch right and am virtually the only VGC member who can claim that. If I had a problem with bias, then I would be 1 out of 2 like the rest of the qualifying VGC community.



Legend11 correctly predicted that GTA IV (360+PS3) would outsell SSBB. I was wrong.

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Normchacho said:
God I love watching people go fucking rabid anytime someone says something less than excellent about the Switch. We have way too little information to be able to confidently predict it's trajectory going forward and yet we have people acting like they've seen into the future haha.

Yep. I have been trying to avoid any Nintendo related comment lately.  Things get heat up really fast.  And there is one particular user that I've been avoiding his posts like the plague.



RolStoppable said:
Normchacho said:

You have absolutely missed the point. I also think the Switch will sell better in 2018 than in 2017. My post was about the fervor with which positions are being defended, and the hostility shown to those who disagree. Or even in some cases, those who don't agree strongly enough.

Your condescending tone, and your constant attempts to discredit people who disagree with you as bias while having seemingly no self awareness about your own bias makes you a perfect example of what I was talking about.

You don't see any hostility coming from those who say that Switch will be flat or down year over year?

As for bias, it's the explanation why people draw faulty conclusions based on available data. There's a very strong correlation between blatantly false Switch predictions and dislike for Nintendo. Now if you accuse me of bias, it doesn't really work because I got both the Wii U and Switch right and am virtually the only VGC member who can claim that. If I had a problem with bias, then I would be 1 out of 2 like the rest of the qualifying VGC community.

Not to the same degree or in the same frequency no.

 

"If I had a problem with bias, then I would be 1 out of 2 like the rest of the qualifying VGC community."

Hey Achilles, want to tone down the hubris? You've been right twice and one of those was guessing the Wii U would fail. It's not that you don't have a bias problem, it's that in one particular coin toss the call lined up with your bias. You're swimming down stream claiming the water is following you.



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Normchacho said:

Not to the same degree or in the same frequency no.

"If I had a problem with bias, then I would be 1 out of 2 like the rest of the qualifying VGC community."

Hey Achilles, want to tone down the hubris? You've been right twice and one of those was guessing the Wii U would fail. It's not that you don't have a bias problem, it's that in one particular coin toss the call lined up with your bias. You're swimming down stream claiming the water is following you.

Huh? If both the Wii U and Switch are made by Nintendo and you accuse me of Nintendo bias, then I should have gotten the Wii U wrong for sure. Nevermind that I've written essays about why consoles can be expected to succeed or fail, so the predictions go way beyond a mere coin toss.



Legend11 correctly predicted that GTA IV (360+PS3) would outsell SSBB. I was wrong.

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Bofferbrauer2 said:
curl-6 said:

Of those though, Kirby, Yoshi, and Fire Emblem are the only ones with significant selling power, and even then they're not really killer apps. They're nice to have for those who already own a Switch, but they won't push droves of new customers to buy a Switch.

I wouldn't count out Dragon Quest XI or Bayonetta 1+2 that fast. Bayonetta is doing quite well already on amazon and will certainly push the console quite a bit in the west at least, while DQ XI will probably be preferred on Switch than on the 3DS in the west since the latter is a dying platform now.

I actually believe there's a great chance for the Switch being best-selling platform for the first Bayonetta. So basically 10 years after it's release, it found it's platform, too.

The Bayonetta IP, for all its critical and fan adoration, has never been a significant system seller, and Bayo 1 & 2 aren't even new games. 

As for Dragon Quest, that's a Japan-centric franchise, and surely just about everyone who'd buy a system for it there would've already got it on 3DS or PS4?



Oh no, another week, another thread on how magnificent and how the switch is the 8th wonder of the world.



kazuyamishima said:
Oh no, another week, another thread on how magnificent and how the switch is the 8th wonder of the world.

As if you and others aren't constantly talking up the PS4 as the 8th wonder.



kazuyamishima said:
Oh no, another week, another thread on how magnificent and how the switch is the 8th wonder of the world.



kazuyamishima said:
Oh no, another week, another thread on how magnificent and how the switch is the 8th wonder of the world.

Its the best game device evahhh!! But only for nintendo fans, the rest of the gaming world is laughing about the next underpowered nintendo device, as console at least, as a handheld its decent, but nintendo says its a console, so its underpowered. But its funny to see nintendo fans hyping it up, with wild speculations and theories. In the end it will be like always a from ( most ) 3rd partys abandoned system with some indies and mostly nintendo games, but this seem to be enough for nintendo fans i gues