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The Catholic church as an organization has done some pretty horrific things. The most recent is the sex abuse scandal, of course.

Cardinal Law protected and enable pedophiles and the Pope gave him a new post just a few years after he resigned. I'm not at all convinced that they've learned their lesson and addressed the problem.

Mormons have been brought up in this thread too. I have no issues with any individual Mormon or any individual Catholic. The Catholic Church and the LDS Church victimize people though. It's okay, and even necessary, to point that out.



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Funny how the tread was about how catholics are shown in movies, but 10 posts later it became, as usual, atheists + agnostics + religion haters vs people that believe in god.



Alara317 said:
Why is it that every discussion about the merits of religion has to devolve into 'but science doesn't have ALL The answers either!' debates?

Nobody says that science has all the answers, at least not at any one given time. The whole point of science is to test and theorize and test and hypothesize and test some more. It's not perfect - by nature it can't be - but it's a lot more accurate than anything religion offers.

When comparing the two, here's how it goes:

Science - "How do I know? Well, I tested the theory, I repeated the results, I had it vetted by another who was able to also recreate my results in a lab. It was then posted and challenged in an open forum for others to criticise and scrutinize, and they all agreed as well."

Religion - "How do I know? I read it in a book, and the author of that book assures me that they wouldn't lie to me."

These two shouldn't even be in the same discussion. Science may not have all the answers and may never be perfect, but at least it attempts to answer questions with distiguishable authority. Religion does no such thing. The people who criticising religion - especially the catholic religion - aren't doing it from a place of arrogance or superiority (most of the time), but are criticising it because any belief system DESERVES to be criticised, scrutinized, and tested if they want to make the sort of claims ANY religion makes about our origins and the greater nature of the world around us.

By denying any scrutiny or critique, religion has basically opened itself up to be the target of hate and disrespect. until it can back up its claims with evidence of ANY sort, it doesn't deserve your respect, and should be laughed at for the joke it is.

Sadly we don't live in that world; we live in a world where religion is, for some stupid reason, put on the same level of science and demands the same amount of respect. Religion deserves to be in a science class about as much as Alex Jones needs to be teaching history. Or Trump deserves to be in the white house. Completely ill-equipped to fulfil that position.

"Why is it that every discussion about the merits of religion has to devolve into 'but science doesn't have ALL The answers either!'"

because the vast majority of people that i see ciriticise religion seem to labour under the delusion that science IS perfect and that through science we have a good understanding of our universe, which is so wrong that it cannot be over stated enough

 

"Religion - "How do I know? I read it in a book, and the author of that book assures me that they wouldn't lie to me.""

well actually this is the stance most people take with regards to their beliefs, even atheists... for example, have you seen an electron yourself? no? so why do you believe in them? because you have faith in someone that told you that they exist at the subatomic level

with better instruments we may over time come to discover that the concept of electrons is untrue and rework it but often the people that i'm talking about do not acknowledge that, because they behave like religious people holding onto a dogma

 

"The people who criticising religion - especially the catholic religion - aren't doing it from a place of arrogance or superiority (most of the time)"

i strongly disagree

 

"By denying any scrutiny or critique, religion has basically opened itself up to be the target of hate and disrespect. until it can back up its claims with evidence of ANY sort"

you don't believe that if the world warms enough and the ice caps melt that they'll be flooding?



specialk said:
The Catholic church as an organization has done some pretty horrific things. The most recent is the sex abuse scandal, of course.

Cardinal Law protected and enable pedophiles and the Pope gave him a new post just a few years after he resigned. I'm not at all convinced that they've learned their lesson and addressed the problem.

Mormons have been brought up in this thread too. I have no issues with any individual Mormon or any individual Catholic. The Catholic Church and the LDS Church victimize people though. It's okay, and even necessary, to point that out.

"The Catholic church as an organization has done some pretty horrific things. "

the catholic church did not create nuclear weapons... the scientific community did... and they are the greatest threat to mankind and i'd argue that they should never have been created

actually when it comes down to it - uranium depleted rounds, biological weapons, hollow points, pipe bombs, napalm etc etc etc who developed these threats to humanity? the church or the scientific community?

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KratosLives said:
OdinHades said:
Hollywood and everyone else should be allowed to make fun of whatever they like. What's the big deal?

The big deal is that im seeing it often, every year, and 100% of the time the people behind the movie are so called jewish american or jewish american who call themselves atheists. Now if a non jew make a movie making fun of or dissing moses or judaism, there'd be anti semitism thrown at them so fast, lawsuits etc. So it kills me that there is this agenda to shit on catholics by a group of people in hollywood, over the years. 

i don't follow... so what exactly are the jews doing from your perspective?



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o_O.Q said:
specialk said:
The Catholic church as an organization has done some pretty horrific things. The most recent is the sex abuse scandal, of course.

Cardinal Law protected and enable pedophiles and the Pope gave him a new post just a few years after he resigned. I'm not at all convinced that they've learned their lesson and addressed the problem.

Mormons have been brought up in this thread too. I have no issues with any individual Mormon or any individual Catholic. The Catholic Church and the LDS Church victimize people though. It's okay, and even necessary, to point that out.

"The Catholic church as an organization has done some pretty horrific things. "

the catholic church did not create nuclear weapons... the scientific community did... and they are the greatest threat to mankind and i'd argue that they should never have been created

actually when it comes down to it - uranium depleted rounds, biological weapons, hollow points, pipe bombs, napalm etc etc etc who developed these threats to humanity? the church or the scientific community?

But the scientific community "as an organization" did not do these things. There was no mandate from on high that all scientists must adhere to and make weapons. There are just scientists that do. Not the same things as the catholic church as an organization shuttling around pedophiles and keeping them from justice or making the AIDS crisis worse by telling people in Africa they can't use condoms. 



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Maybe they should stop raping kids? Surely hollywood will stop making fun of them then.



jonager said:
Maybe they should stop raping kids? Surely hollywood will stop making fun of them then.

The whole pedophile thing with the Catholic church was like 10 years ago.

Hollywood right now is having an ongoing rape and abuse problem. They are hardly the ones that should be preaching.



Torillian said:
o_O.Q said:

"The Catholic church as an organization has done some pretty horrific things. "

the catholic church did not create nuclear weapons... the scientific community did... and they are the greatest threat to mankind and i'd argue that they should never have been created

actually when it comes down to it - uranium depleted rounds, biological weapons, hollow points, pipe bombs, napalm etc etc etc who developed these threats to humanity? the church or the scientific community?

But the scientific community "as an organization" did not do these things. There was no mandate from on high that all scientists must adhere to and make weapons. There are just scientists that do. Not the same things as the catholic church as an organization shuttling around pedophiles and keeping them from justice or making the AIDS crisis worse by telling people in Africa they can't use condoms. 

i didn't say that the scientific community is an entity with one purpose but the point is that the consequences of the scientific method have been negative as well as positive ( and some people would argue that it has been mostly negative)

you can't separate the negative consequences of science from the positive and act as if its only positive... the same way that people in this threat are saying that you can't take away the negative aspects away from religion

i could make the argument that religion generally has a positive goal but bad practitioners distort that goal just like in the scientific community



o_O.Q said:
specialk said:
The Catholic church as an organization has done some pretty horrific things. The most recent is the sex abuse scandal, of course.

Cardinal Law protected and enable pedophiles and the Pope gave him a new post just a few years after he resigned. I'm not at all convinced that they've learned their lesson and addressed the problem.

Mormons have been brought up in this thread too. I have no issues with any individual Mormon or any individual Catholic. The Catholic Church and the LDS Church victimize people though. It's okay, and even necessary, to point that out.

"The Catholic church as an organization has done some pretty horrific things. "

the catholic church did not create nuclear weapons... the scientific community did... and they are the greatest threat to mankind and i'd argue that they should never have been created

actually when it comes down to it - uranium depleted rounds, biological weapons, hollow points, pipe bombs, napalm etc etc etc who developed these threats to humanity? the church or the scientific community?

Those weapons have been created, but have barely been used. The atomic bomb, ironically, could in large part be responsible for why we did NOT have a direct war between any major powers in the last 70 years, even if the two largest powers hated each other with passion.

 

Wars were no less cruel, brutal before just because people used sticks and stones to murder each other.

 

When it comes down to it - who has reduced worldwide child mortality from 50 to 2 percent? Who’s made parasitical disease a thing of the past, turned the flue from a deadly disease to an annoying couple weeks in bed? Who has made food production so efficient that the *quantity* of food produced will never again be a problem? The church or the scientific community?



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