irstupid said:
SpokenTruth said:
I need to clarify a few things for you. Our common understanding of the big bang is actually horribly explained. We try to simplify the concept and yet we create false ideas of it when we do.
Most people think of this tiny point which contained everything in the universe. This is only partially correct. Everything in our "observable" universe was contained in a single point....let me back up first. Are you familiar with the difference between the known or observable universe and the entire universe? It really helps to understand the Big Bang if you grasp that part well first. If needed, we can start a new thread.
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I'm just talking in broad terms, not trying to get into the finer details. All finer details does is make people confused and your arguing over semantics versus the general idea.
Whether all the stuff in the universe was packed into a pin prick size or if it was all some giant gas giant the size of the milky way before is exploded/expanded/whatever is besides the point.
The questions are:
1. Where did all that stuff originally come from? Was that matter/energy/ect always there. How can something always be there? Shouldn't there have to be a beginning at some point. How can something have always been? If it was created, how was something created from nothing?
2. What was outside that ball of shit? Nothing? As someone posted to me earlier, no time, no space, no nothing. How can something be nothing. If I was to somehow step outside that ball, I step into nothing? How can time not exist?
3. If the universe is ever expanding, how can it be infinite. Something infinite is infinite. you can't +1 infinity. This isn't elementary school comebacks. So if I were to travel faster than the universe is expanding, what would I run into when I get past it? Again the concept of nothing, no time/space/ect makes less sense than any magical god of any religion.
4. If there is somehow a no time/no space place, then nothing is infinite. I've heard our universe will end at some point, so then nothing inside our universe is infite. Time will end, and as with the big bang, time began at some point. If there is a place of nothing outside our universe, then our universe is not infinite.
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3. Ah... that makes no sense, mathematically. Firstly, there *are* infinite infinitys of strictly different sizes (look up: cardinalities. One common example is that the set of all real numbers is strictly larger than the set of natural numbers. Generally, if you take an infinite set, the set of all subsets is strictly greater, which is how we know there to be infinite *sizes* of infinity.) Though that certainly isn’t necessary to explain an expanding universe of infinite size - notice, in this context, expanding simply means that any two objects, in average, get farther and farther apart. Look up hilbert’s hotel for that.
I have no education on the physics involved in the big bang theory, so I won’t try to explain something about it. However, something you generally have to understand is that if you can come up with a question, physicians have certainly thought about it as well. And there most likely exists a perfectly coherent answer to those questions, it’s just unlikely that you could *understand* it. People spend years upon years on physical concepts before attempting to read any contempory papers. The accumulated knowledge is just too great for anything to be accessible to a general audience, these days, sadly.
And there certainly are things that we do not know, there will always be things that we cannot know. But that in no way invalidates any of the work that scientists have created on what we CAN know.