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DonFerrari on 08 January 2018
Pinkie_pie said:
Will it hit 100m faster than the wii did?

If PS4 can beat PS2 to it, then it will beat Wii, before the 100M PS4 curve will overtake Wii, it probably is getting back at it.

Mnementh said:
DonFerrari said:

VGC needs ways to dismiss Sony success... like PS1, PS2 and PS4 only sold well because of other people mistakes and no Sony merits, only PS3 is based on Sony merits and that is why they sold bad (that is considering it outsold most consoles considered sucessful by those people)

Wait what? PS3 was the fault of Sony. And they were able to turn the ship while it was on the market, a big thing. With PS4 Sony learned from the PS3-mistakes and fixed them. All three successful consoles were successes made by Sony, and the relative weak PS3 was their mistake too.

Sure, that is the point, the success and "failure" of all 4 consoles and the good showing of PSP and disaster PSVita are all merits and fault from Sony.

But on VGC it is quite common to attribute the success of PS1,2,4 to the failure of competitors and not merit of Sony while only attributing the failure of PS3 to Sony.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

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torok on 08 January 2018
JRPGfan said:

1,661.....  617.8m down, only 1,043m more to go :p

X360 finished with a bit more than 1B (plus a bit more digital). PS4 still has plenty of life and could really reach those numbers.



Bet with jetforcejiminy: PS4 will pass the Wii lifetime numbers.

Mnementh on 08 January 2018
DonFerrari said:
Pinkie_pie said:
Will it hit 100m faster than the wii did?

If PS4 can beat PS2 to it, then it will beat Wii, before the 100M PS4 curve will overtake Wii, it probably is getting back at it.

Mnementh said:

Wait what? PS3 was the fault of Sony. And they were able to turn the ship while it was on the market, a big thing. With PS4 Sony learned from the PS3-mistakes and fixed them. All three successful consoles were successes made by Sony, and the relative weak PS3 was their mistake too.

Sure, that is the point, the success and "failure" of all 4 consoles and the good showing of PSP and disaster PSVita are all merits and fault from Sony.

But on VGC it is quite common to attribute the success of PS1,2,4 to the failure of competitors and not merit of Sony while only attributing the failure of PS3 to Sony.

People on VGC have many different strange or normal and well-founded or outright crazy ideas. I don't see a common agreement, that success and failure of the Sony consoles is because of the competition. And if there is such a consensus, then it is just stupid.



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DonFerrari on 08 January 2018
Mnementh said:
DonFerrari said:

If PS4 can beat PS2 to it, then it will beat Wii, before the 100M PS4 curve will overtake Wii, it probably is getting back at it.

Sure, that is the point, the success and "failure" of all 4 consoles and the good showing of PSP and disaster PSVita are all merits and fault from Sony.

But on VGC it is quite common to attribute the success of PS1,2,4 to the failure of competitors and not merit of Sony while only attributing the failure of PS3 to Sony.

People on VGC have many different strange or normal and well-founded or outright crazy ideas. I don't see a common agreement, that success and failure of the Sony consoles is because of the competition. And if there is such a consensus, then it is just stupid.

No consensus sure, it is more like you said, there are crazyness from each extreme of the spectrum on VGC but a lot of sensible and well adjusted members.

But you know that when you yourself already say that if aligned differently PS4 may not reach 100M before PS2 then there is no point in people going and doing that to dismiss the sales of PS4, same with Switch if fanbase points out it is outselling 3DS aligned and even though it is ahead of Wii so far it will probably end lower.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

Mnementh on 08 January 2018
DonFerrari said:
Mnementh said:

People on VGC have many different strange or normal and well-founded or outright crazy ideas. I don't see a common agreement, that success and failure of the Sony consoles is because of the competition. And if there is such a consensus, then it is just stupid.

No consensus sure, it is more like you said, there are crazyness from each extreme of the spectrum on VGC but a lot of sensible and well adjusted members.

But you know that when you yourself already say that if aligned differently PS4 may not reach 100M before PS2 then there is no point in people going and doing that to dismiss the sales of PS4, same with Switch if fanbase points out it is outselling 3DS aligned and even though it is ahead of Wii so far it will probably end lower.

I wasn't the one talking about alignment, that was someone else (I'm way to lazy to look it up). But whatever, I just wanted to point out that the opinions in VGC are diverse and obviously Sony was making most of their success and failure alone (as did the others). The only thing about competition is, that with working competition your failures hurt more than without.



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DonFerrari on 09 January 2018
Mnementh said:
DonFerrari said:

No consensus sure, it is more like you said, there are crazyness from each extreme of the spectrum on VGC but a lot of sensible and well adjusted members.

But you know that when you yourself already say that if aligned differently PS4 may not reach 100M before PS2 then there is no point in people going and doing that to dismiss the sales of PS4, same with Switch if fanbase points out it is outselling 3DS aligned and even though it is ahead of Wii so far it will probably end lower.

I wasn't the one talking about alignment, that was someone else (I'm way to lazy to look it up). But whatever, I just wanted to point out that the opinions in VGC are diverse and obviously Sony was making most of their success and failure alone (as did the others). The only thing about competition is, that with working competition your failures hurt more than without.

I was the one to bring it before anyone else brought... but on any thread that talk about the speed of sales of PS4 someone will try to dismiss it by aligning per region PS2 to say it smoke PS4 on speed.

And sure, strong competition can make your life harder.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

KazumaKiryu on 09 January 2018

100 % 2019. But the question is, which month ?! Maybe february ?



Mnementh on 09 January 2018
DonFerrari said:
Mnementh said:

I wasn't the one talking about alignment, that was someone else (I'm way to lazy to look it up). But whatever, I just wanted to point out that the opinions in VGC are diverse and obviously Sony was making most of their success and failure alone (as did the others). The only thing about competition is, that with working competition your failures hurt more than without.

I was the one to bring it before anyone else brought... but on any thread that talk about the speed of sales of PS4 someone will try to dismiss it by aligning per region PS2 to say it smoke PS4 on speed.

And sure, strong competition can make your life harder.

Aligning per region or not is just different metrics. If it makes a milestone in one metric but not the other, it still makes the milestone in the first metric. So that all is irrelevant, because the thread asks if the PS4 will be able to clear a milestone. To dismiss that, if it does that but not simultanously clears another milestone is kinda - strange. Sure, I could say the PS4 does not sell 500 million, but what has that to do with the other milestone discussed here.

Anyways, I was answering about Sony (as any other manufacturer) is mainly itself responsible for successes or failures of it's products. The aligning discussion confuses me. So I'm out, I stated my opinion that Sony made their successes and failures on their own.



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DonFerrari on 09 January 2018
Mnementh said:
DonFerrari said:

I was the one to bring it before anyone else brought... but on any thread that talk about the speed of sales of PS4 someone will try to dismiss it by aligning per region PS2 to say it smoke PS4 on speed.

And sure, strong competition can make your life harder.

Aligning per region or not is just different metrics. If it makes a milestone in one metric but not the other, it still makes the milestone in the first metric. So that all is irrelevant, because the thread asks if the PS4 will be able to clear a milestone. To dismiss that, if it does that but not simultanously clears another milestone is kinda - strange. Sure, I could say the PS4 does not sell 500 million, but what has that to do with the other milestone discussed here.

Anyways, I was answering about Sony (as any other manufacturer) is mainly itself responsible for successes or failures of it's products. The aligning discussion confuses me. So I'm out, I stated my opinion that Sony made their successes and failures on their own.

Yep, we are in agreement =] we were just pointing out situations we see around here =]



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

MrRoops on 09 January 2018

Shipped could be 2018 if the drop to 199.99

Else i'll be feb/march 2019.