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It can go either way, but unless many upgrade from PS4 to the Pro version, I doubt it, as slowly there's some saturation setting in.

KBG29 said:
I think there is a very good chance of PS4 selling more in 2018. Looking at what is coming already, and the possabilities of price cuts to PS4 Slim and PS4 Pro, I can see Sony shipping 25 Million units in CY2018.

However, I believe 2019 will be the peak. We know for sure that a PS4 Super Slim is coming, and it should launch for $149.99. There should also be a PS4 Pro Slim for $249.99. Then we have the wild cards, PS4 Premium, PS4 Portable, PS4 Phone, PSVR Pro.

I believe 2019 will end up being the first year, with major 3rd party AAA PSVR support. With PS4 Super Slim + PSVR $199.99, Sales will be absolutely insane regaurdless of Premium, Portable, Phone. I think Sony could break the 30 Million shipped mark in 2019.

Outside of gaming, I believe the PS4 Super Slim will come in a Digital Only form factor with 500GB of Flash. With no Blu-ray Drive and no HDD, the thing will be roughly the size of Amazon Fire TV, Apple TV, and Roku boxes. I also think they will put HDMI 2.1 in it allowing for 4K HDR video content. This will be combined with 4K HDR TV using Hybrid Log Gamma on PlayStation Vue, and a huge push in the Set Top Box market. This could even turn into a thing where they offer PS4 SS for free with 3 months of PS Vue, or at a substantial discount.

This is just based on what we already know. We still have 2 years worth the trade shows, and partenerships. The more the PS4 sells, the more 3rd parties, gaming or otherwise are going to want to be on the platform.It is going to be an awesome ride.

@Bolded: Again, you show that you don't seem to understand that hardware always comes at a price. In this case, the 500GB SSD alone would break the 150$ pricetag by far, especially since it will have to come in M.2 format (or soldered on, making it unupgradeable in the process) to fit into the small case you're proposing. Plus, as cheap as it might be, I doubt it would sell well without the possibility to play the games on discs.

@Italic: Won't come until next year minimum, as it will need the 7nm with stable yield rates to be able to shrink down the main chip enough to create a slim version of that chip. Unless Sony wants to risk overheating a lot of units, RROD anyone?

@Undelined: Hahahahaha

Sorry I laughed out loud when I read those. Tech ain't there yet to allow a PS4 portable (you could make it - in laptop size that is. Raven Ridge at 15W TDP ain't far away anymore in GFlops from the PS4, at 20-25W it should be feasible), let alone PS4 phone



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Well yeah, PS4 still costs 300 like you said so there's plenty of room for price cuts.

Edit: Plus 2018 is looking great for games on PS4 (barring delays)

Last edited by NobleTeam360 - on 10 January 2018

Bofferbrauer2 said:

It can go either way, but unless many upgrade from PS4 to the Pro version, I doubt it, as slowly there's some saturation setting in.

KBG29 said:
I think there is a very good chance of PS4 selling more in 2018. Looking at what is coming already, and the possabilities of price cuts to PS4 Slim and PS4 Pro, I can see Sony shipping 25 Million units in CY2018.

However, I believe 2019 will be the peak. We know for sure that a PS4 Super Slim is coming, and it should launch for $149.99. There should also be a PS4 Pro Slim for $249.99. Then we have the wild cards, PS4 Premium, PS4 Portable, PS4 Phone, PSVR Pro.

I believe 2019 will end up being the first year, with major 3rd party AAA PSVR support. With PS4 Super Slim + PSVR $199.99, Sales will be absolutely insane regaurdless of Premium, Portable, Phone. I think Sony could break the 30 Million shipped mark in 2019.

Outside of gaming, I believe the PS4 Super Slim will come in a Digital Only form factor with 500GB of Flash. With no Blu-ray Drive and no HDD, the thing will be roughly the size of Amazon Fire TV, Apple TV, and Roku boxes. I also think they will put HDMI 2.1 in it allowing for 4K HDR video content. This will be combined with 4K HDR TV using Hybrid Log Gamma on PlayStation Vue, and a huge push in the Set Top Box market. This could even turn into a thing where they offer PS4 SS for free with 3 months of PS Vue, or at a substantial discount.

This is just based on what we already know. We still have 2 years worth the trade shows, and partenerships. The more the PS4 sells, the more 3rd parties, gaming or otherwise are going to want to be on the platform.It is going to be an awesome ride.

@Bolded: Again, you show that you don't seem to understand that hardware always comes at a price. In this case, the 500GB SSD alone would break the 150$ pricetag by far, especially since it will have to come in M.2 format (or soldered on, making it unupgradeable in the process) to fit into the small case you're proposing. Plus, as cheap as it might be, I doubt it would sell well without the possibility to play the games on discs.

@Italic: Won't come until next year minimum, as it will need the 7nm with stable yield rates to be able to shrink down the main chip enough to create a slim version of that chip. Unless Sony wants to risk overheating a lot of units, RROD anyone?

@Undelined: Hahahahaha

Sorry I laughed out loud when I read those. Tech ain't there yet to allow a PS4 portable (you could make it - in laptop size that is. Raven Ridge at 15W TDP ain't far away anymore in GFlops from the PS4, at 20-25W it should be feasible), let alone PS4 phone

500GB M.2 Drives are already available to consumers at $129.99  - $149.99 on the low end. Flash prices are supposed to start dropping very quickly over the next decade, while capacity sky rockets. By late 2019 500GB of Flash Storage will be ~$50 for cinsumers and even lower for a company like Sony. Digital is going to be 60% or more at that point, and casuals have no attatchment to physical game. These are the Netflix, Spotify, Youtube people of the world. They just want cheap and simple.

I have PS4 Pro Slim in 2019 predictions.

The Portable is way more possible than people are making it out to be. By late 2019 a 15W APU based on 2nd gen Ryzen and Navi using 7nm fabrication will be at PS4 Pro levels.



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I’m inclined to believe 2017 was the peak year and 2018 will see a small decline. PS4 sold 20.2m in 2017. I see it selling less of about 17-19m just on the basis of Switch and the console getting long in the tooth. Same goes for 2019. Probably another 16-17m. Of course I could be wrong but I don’t see it keeping these kind of sales up. The $199 was already used so I don’t think it’ll have that big of an impact the second time. It should have stayed $199 imo. But overall 2018 will still be a very good year for PS4. Of course I could be wrong but I don’t think I am. Feel free to bump this comment this time next year. :)



KBG29 said:
Bofferbrauer2 said:

It can go either way, but unless many upgrade from PS4 to the Pro version, I doubt it, as slowly there's some saturation setting in.

@Bolded: Again, you show that you don't seem to understand that hardware always comes at a price. In this case, the 500GB SSD alone would break the 150$ pricetag by far, especially since it will have to come in M.2 format (or soldered on, making it unupgradeable in the process) to fit into the small case you're proposing. Plus, as cheap as it might be, I doubt it would sell well without the possibility to play the games on discs.

@Italic: Won't come until next year minimum, as it will need the 7nm with stable yield rates to be able to shrink down the main chip enough to create a slim version of that chip. Unless Sony wants to risk overheating a lot of units, RROD anyone?

@Undelined: Hahahahaha

Sorry I laughed out loud when I read those. Tech ain't there yet to allow a PS4 portable (you could make it - in laptop size that is. Raven Ridge at 15W TDP ain't far away anymore in GFlops from the PS4, at 20-25W it should be feasible), let alone PS4 phone

500GB M.2 Drives are already available to consumers at $129.99  - $149.99 on the low end. Flash prices are supposed to start dropping very quickly over the next decade, while capacity sky rockets. By late 2019 500GB of Flash Storage will be ~$50 for cinsumers and even lower for a company like Sony. Digital is going to be 60% or more at that point, and casuals have no attatchment to physical game. These are the Netflix, Spotify, Youtube people of the world. They just want cheap and simple.

I have PS4 Pro Slim in 2019 predictions.

The Portable is way more possible than people are making it out to be. By late 2019 a 15W APU based on 2nd gen Ryzen and Navi using 7nm fabrication will be at PS4 Pro levels.

The problem to that is that the production capacities for flash are by far insufficient for the demand, driving the prices up instead of down. Also, next decade? That starts in 2020, so only in 2 years. By late 2019 500GB won't cost just 50$, not for consumers and not even for companies unless the production capacity has been massively increased in the meanwhile (and the outlook on this is sadly grimdark)

Flash is slowly reaching it's practical limit in shrinking. The smaller the chips, the shorter the lifespan of the flash memory cells. At 7nm we will most probably cross below 100 rewrites per cell. At that point Flash can't be shrinked anymore lest the risk of failing shortly after sale is getting too big, even with huge storage spaces. Hence why there are several successors in the works, but they are all still much more expensive than Flash. Only Intels 3D X-Point (marketing name: Optane) made it to commercial level yet, and with about 5 times the price of Flash memory.

Come on please, get realistic with your tech previews. Even at 7nm there's no chance that Ryzen 2 + Navi can reach PS4 Pro levels. I could see it reach 2500-3000 GFlops (which is already a 50-70% increase over what we have with the upcoming desktop Ryzen 5 2400G). In the "Playstation Switch" Thread I stated that this would be possible by 2020 - and you want a PS4 Pro Switch by late 2019? Not a chance in hell. It's not because it's called 7nm that it's actually twice as small and double as performant as 14nm, those times are long gone. At best you can get a 40% increase outside of clock speeds and IPC increases, so my 50-70% can be seen as optimistic already.



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CGI-Quality said:
UltimateGamer1982 said:
I’m inclined to believe 2017 was the peak year and 2018 will see a small decline. PS4 sold 20.2m in 2017. I see it selling less of about 17-19m just on the basis of Switch and the console getting long in the tooth. Same goes for 2019. Probably another 16-17m. Of course I could be wrong but I don’t see it keeping these kind of sales up. The $199 was already used so I don’t think it’ll have that big of an impact the second time. It should have stayed $199 imo. But overall 2018 will still be a very good year for PS4. Of course I could be wrong but I don’t think I am. Feel free to bump this comment this time next year. :)

If Switch was going to have that kind of impact, 2017 would have been the year to do it. Instead, with both the Switch and Xbox One X releases, they had no effect on the PS4 (with the system having its highest sales in a calendar year yet). I expect 2018 to be better to it. God of War and Spider-Man will surely move units and the $199 price drop is likely. No, it was not already used. Temp price cuts don't work like that and a $100 price drop will have a significant impact on system sales, regardless of last holiday.

Of course, a very slight decline is still possible, but it will not be on the terms you proposed.

True but was switch not heavily supply constrained for much of 2017? Nintendo even stated late summer I believe just they were gonna be ramping up production a bit more. It also won several months of npd last year despite the supply shortage. Not to mention the switch had no good deals in America this Christmas and was full price against a $199-$249 PS4 and $189 Xbox S. If memory serves, PS4 also didn’t have any good deals in 2014 other than a gta5 bundle at full price whereas Xbox was heavily discounted with the Assassin creed bundle and beat PS4 handily. 

Personally I see switch having a much better 2018 now that they have a more steady stream of units hitting shelves. 



CGI-Quality said:
UltimateGamer1982 said:

True but was switch not heavily supply constrained for much of 2017? Nintendo even stated late summer I believe just they were gonna be ramping up production a bit more. It also won several months of npd last year despite the supply shortage. Not to mention the switch had no good deals in America this Christmas and was full price against a $199-$249 PS4 and $189 Xbox S. If memory serves, PS4 also didn’t have any good deals in 2014 other than a gta5 bundle at full price whereas Xbox was heavily discounted with the Assassin creed bundle and beat PS4 handily. 

Personally I see switch having a much better 2018 now that they have a more steady stream of units hitting shelves. 

Even under a better production outcome for the Switch, it's not going to effect the PS4 in any significant way. They sell to two different demographics. 

Next, the Xbox One only gave the PS4 some trouble in the US during the holiday 2014 period (and that was only after a temp price cut - to which the PS4 wiped all of those US gains out the following year). The latter destroyed Xbox overall. Here, I'm talking the peak of a system worldwide. And, remember, demographics dictate a lot.

Very true. But here’s my thing. Not even ps2 was up in its 5th full year which you’re thinking PS4 might be and others are too. The only consoles I think were up YoY were maybe the Wii or 360 with Kinect. But PS4 doesn’t have anything to spur sales to a greater threshold like Kinect did. 

So even though I predicted a decline from 2017, it wouldn’t surprise me if PS4 proves me wrong. I’m hopeful it does. I’m curious how close it comes to that 155m sold by its grandpa. 



UltimateGamer1982 said:
I’m inclined to believe 2017 was the peak year and 2018 will see a small decline. PS4 sold 20.2m in 2017. I see it selling less of about 17-19m just on the basis of Switch and the console getting long in the tooth. Same goes for 2019. Probably another 16-17m. Of course I could be wrong but I don’t see it keeping these kind of sales up. The $199 was already used so I don’t think it’ll have that big of an impact the second time. It should have stayed $199 imo. But overall 2018 will still be a very good year for PS4. Of course I could be wrong but I don’t think I am. Feel free to bump this comment this time next year. :)

If Ps4 in 2018 drops to 17M it will be very improbable for it to hold to 16-17M on 2019. After the peak the drop is more probable than flat years



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