Thanks for the links.

I can't see it coming anywhere near 360 sales. If X and Pro get support years after next gen consoles are released.  I do not think people would play would buy 1080P  and 720P console 4yrs from now.But that is the only way I can see it crossing 60million mark. This year PS4 and Switch will dominate. Their average is 8Million per year so I think they can keep that this year as well.

There’s a PlayStation Phone?

I love my X1X together with the Switch. Yes, it doesn´t have as many 1st party games as Sony or Nintendo and it annoys me that MS aren´t doing a better job getting games out there but it DOES have a huge amount of exclusive games on top of BC. And BC in itself has made this console one of my favorite ever, since the 4K resolution on some of these titles on X1X is simply astoundng and had brought new life to the games.

And I loom forward to Ori and the will of the wisps, a new Halo, Sea of thieves and Crackdown 3 so the horizon looks ok atleast :).

"Xbox" would make an incredible documentary one day.

Despite the enormous errors made with the Xbox One, the groundbreaking stuff Microsoft did with the 360 ensured that many of the more casual gamers would stick around. They were truly the first to make sure customers were invested in their ecosystem and it paid off then and down the road. It's still all that gets talked about at work and I've been told several times that I should get an Xbox One so I can play CoD or Battlefront with the rest of the staff.

I think its incredibly difficult to make games that feel like ground breaking experiences because so much has been done already.

I don't think any modern games right now have the "wow factor" as the titles you've mentioned. That's probably because we've also become jaded and creating ground breaking experiences is difficult at this point.

Although, I do credit Sony for raising the bar on cinematic experiences in gaming. But from a gameplay perspective, I don't find their games particularly fresh either.

At launch I felt like Dead Rising 3 was the most impressive launch title because the assets, lighting, and other effects were very high quality for an open world game compared to what we had seen before. On top of that, there were many zombies in the city. It was dragged down by frame rate issues, 720p, poor AA, and pop in but it still felt like something well beyond last gen. Fun game as well, looks fantastic on PC and could benefit greatly from an X1X patch.

Forza 5 is an impressive looking game, still looks good thanks to high quality assets, visual polish and 60 fps. But it didn't feel like a far cry from Forza 4. I did play a lot of Forza 5 though because there wasn't much to play at launch and I had a lot of free time.

Halo 5's graphics are absolutely terrible.
The Art was the saving grace in my opinion, but even that had room for improvement in a multitude of areas.

Doom and Battlefield 1 have far more effects happening on screen.
Doom is a massive step up in regards to particles and texturing.. And Battlefield 1's draw distance is significantly larger than Halo 5's.

Halo 5 being "60fps" though is a little disingenuous, many texture and sprite animations are only a paltry 10-15fps which look downright jarring... So if it couldn't hit and maintain 60fps with those cut corners, then it would truly be terrible.

Even the enhanced version of the game on Xbox One X still suffers from short object and shadow draw distance.

Halo 5's campaign left allot to be desired, but I think the biggest gripe people had was how the campaign deviated from the advertising campaign and how it ended on a cliff hanger.
I would assume 343i would have learned from that for Halo 6... Halo 4's campaign was actually fairly decent, probably the best aspect of that particular release. - Not Halo 3 levels of standard, but great either way.

I am taking a wait and see approach.
Crackdown 3 has already taken a heap of criticism for it's visual presentation.
Sea of Thieves could be hit or miss (I am hoping it's amazing) as it's a RARE game.
And they are all on PC anyway...

The Xbox One *is* a viable platform, profits are being made.

Also keen to see how a Fable looks on current gen hardware, Fable 1 and 2 were some of my favorite games.

They need some must-have exclusive games... Something new, unique and different. Something like the sadly cancelled Scalebound.
Microsoft convinced me to buy the original Xbox with exclusives and that continued on with the 360.

If Microsoft wishes to appeal to Asian markets... They could simply appeal to Blizzard to make an exclusive AAA Xbox One game, then watch console sales pick up in those markets.

Sadly, Microsoft still has to appeal to shareholders, they can't just endlessly throw dollar bills at a problem, they do have limits.

And you are correct, Microsoft did repair the largest issues prior to launch, the DRM, Kinect and Higher Price. - But... They still had less power, ResolutionGate was a real issue being pushed by various outlets.

Well. To be fair... The Xbox 360 had a ton of issues as well, namely the RROD which tarnished the brand... But despite that, still sold as well as it did.
The Playstation 3 released at a higher price and games often were worst than their Xbox 360 counterparts and sold well.

So, it's not outside of the realm of possibility that a console having a crap launch can still sell well.

Fable 1 was already remastered with Fable: Anniversary. - I would not complain if they remastered all three again as titles taking full advantage of the Xbox One X. - Although, they would need to do some serious work to Fable 3 to make it a decent title.

Agreed. We had the Playstation 4 as the precedent to go by.

The Xbox One X will help overall sales though, especially as it's a Halo product... Which means it's got the best visuals and that is being reflected in general trailers, advertising and marketing material, which should hopefully be noticed by consumers.

Oh of course not. Stable sales are far from the worst case scenario. But it looks to me like they might be running out of ways to bolster sales, which means if they start to slip they won't have a way to pull out of it. I'm of the belief that if a system wants to sell well consistently then they need to keep giving people new reasons to buy it. The same things that bolstered sales in 2017 aren't going to be as effective in 2018.

I'd argue that outside of exclusives, MS has done way more to make the One appealing than the PS4 over the last two years. BC, The One S and X being bigger upgrades than the Slim and Pro, pushing for cross platform play, frequent deals, gamepass and EA access, ect. Not many huge things on their own (except for the One S and the deals, I'd argue) but they add up to quite a bit, And yet this year the Xbox One will likely be up 5 or 6% from last year, while the PS4 will be up around 20% from last year. They've had to try really hard to keep sales stable, and I think they're running out of cards to play to keep sales stable.

I think there's a good chance that 2017 will be the Xbox One's best year, and I don't know if we'll see another year where the Xbox One sells better in one year than it did the year before. Unless they stop following traditional generations of course.

Yea, a pity how a platform holder can be relatively successful without providing quality content, without pushing the medium forward, trying to reduce the competition to a hardware arms race. On top of that laying the foundation for quantity over quality a la Steam and all its consequences.

60m is doable but optimistic. 80m is never going to happen.

So if you read my post again you'll see that's exactly what I said. Unless MS are content to be focused on those markets...which it certainly seems like sometimes. (X1 reveal)

Some presence meaning 1/4 to 1/8th or even less, compared to Sony in the rest of Europe, depending on country. During 360 times this ratio was definitely better.