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Mr Puggsly said:

 I'm not sure if Steam has achieved hundreds of millions of active users

Steams user statistics are all active users, if you knew anything about the PC and Steam you would know this basic fundamental fact.
Valve counts anyone who owns at-least 1 game and has logged in at-least once for that month as an active user.

So the actual REAL total number of users will be higher.

It's no contest that Steam is a larger platform than Xbox and Xbox Live!

Mr Puggsly said:

 GPUs below X1 capabilities. Especially the average laptop GPU which is common in Steam stats.

You aren't getting it. The hardware is not important.

If someone has hardware specifications that are below the Xbox One, that doesn't mean they cannot play thousands of games on Steam.

It also doesn't mean they can't play the same games they enjoy that are also on the Xbox One, there are tons of Arcade/Smaller Experiences/Light games/2D titles and such that are light on hardware, like Minecraft, Terraria, Defense Grid 2, Limbo... Or remasters like Skyrim even.

Hardware isn't everything. Even then, a large majority of PC's on Steam are equal/better than the 6~ year old Radeon derived GPU than the Xbox One anyway.

Mr Puggsly said:

I didnt say everybody considering a console would buy a X1. But evidently some do buy the X1.

Of course.

Mr Puggsly said:

You missed a major point entirely. People with powerful gaming PCs may not want a console. This is why its good MS has games on PC, additional sales from PC gamers.

Then Microsoft needs to do a better job to appeal to those with powerful gaming PC's, those people have wallets that are full of phat notes as well you know.
Those gamers are more likely to pick up a Switch or a Playstation 4 as they actually offer something new and unique.

Mr Puggsly said:

I'm not sure what MS gets from Cuphead. They did fund the game for years and its exclusive to their platform. So its possible MS is getting money from that project, we dont really know. You just made an assumption they absolutely are not.

Microsoft aren't the Publisher on Steam, if they had a financial publishing arrangement then they would be listed under Microsoft.
http://store.steampowered.com/app/268910/Cuphead/

StudioMDHR Entertainment Inc self published it on Steam.

Mr Puggsly said:

MS has numerous games on Steam and Windows Store, they make money from PC games. This is objective.

Microsoft has 38 titles/expansion packs/DLC on Steam.
http://store.steampowered.com/search/?publisher=Microsoft%20Studios

Out of 39,292.
http://store.steampowered.com/search/?
(The number counts are listed at the bottom left.)

That is 39,254 digital Items being sold on Steam that Microsoft potentially doesn't see a red cent from.

Mr Puggsly said:

If you own a capable gaming PC then you arguably dont need a X1... Unless you wanna play a few exclusives that arent on PC. Halo games, Forza Horizon 2, Sunset Overdrive, are few that come to mind that are notable.

Forza Horizon 2 is a game from 2014. - It has a successor, Forza Horizon 3... And it is on PC.
Sunset Overdrive is also a game from 2014, it's an amazing title in it's own right.
Halo games? Well. Halo Wars 1 and 2 came to PC... The PC also has one Halo game not on any Xbox console. (I will let you guess.)
The Master Chief Collection was utter garbage, Halo 5 was average... And many a person would argue that Halo's quality has been in decline.

So really, there is 1 notable title in your list. An old title. - Worth buying an Xbox One for? Probably not, it's a great game, but not that great.

As a PC gamer, I have more reason to play the Original Xbox and Xbox 360 than the Xbox One.


Mr Puggsly said:

 Also, BC is pretty rad and generally performs better than an actual 360. X1 for example currently the best way to play Red Dead Redemption.

Backwards compatibility is fantastic. Great thing the PC is backwards compatible with games dating back 30~ years and doesn't require developer/publisher approval to be backwards compatible on newer hardware.
But I am just salty at the fact a few Xbox 360 exclusives will never be backwards compatible on Xbox One as the Publisher/Developer lost the rights to the franchises.

Mr Puggsly said:

So again, X1 may lose some sales having their games on PC. But they also gain software sales from the large PC audience. I just noticed Quantum Break is kinda a sleeper hit on Steam. While Xbox games have made the Windows Store relevant and increased support.

They only financially gain anything from a PC sale if they publish the game or it is Windows Store, which if multiplayer populations are anything to judge... Isn't setting any sales records.

Quantum Break is a great game, I would even argue that it was highly underrated, Microsoft did publish that game on Steam, so they do get revenue from each sale.
But... A gamer picking up Quantum Break on Steam is potentially a lost Xbox One customer.

Don't get me wrong, I love the fact more Xbox games come to PC, I am a PC gamer first and foremost, but I also want a reason to turn my Xbox One X on, it is probably the most useless console I have ever owned... And that is saying something.

S.T.A.G.E. said:
The only thing solid about 2017 for Xbox was the major exclusives drought for two quarters.

I think the only positive thing I can leverage against Xbox for 2017 was the extremely solid hardware launch of the Xbox One X.
It doesn't have any games mind you, but it's still a solid piece of hardware that simply isn't being used right now.

Hopefully Sea of Thieves, Crackdown 3, Age of Empires, Halo 6 and a Fable 4 changes my opinion on that, Microsoft needs games.



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Anyone have any news if there's going to be an event for Xbox exclusive games?? There has been zero or terrible marketing so far for their games and if it just releases out of the blue without any actual gameplay footage, it's safe to proclaim that Xbox has lost 2018.

I mean most of their high profile games are releasing early or spring 2018!! There HAS to be an event or their games are going to sell terribly...



konnichiwa said:
DonFerrari said:

Sony have ever talked about how much stronger they were than MS? All I can remember is MS PR saying no way in hell PS4 was 30% stronger than X1. So the guilty on HW power race for this gen falls on MS.

1080/60 FPS is for the gamers. It was their commercial. First year of this gen we had thread after thread about how game X is 1080/60 on PS4 but hey that is pretty normal. It is the same like a console does well 'it only succeeds because of the casuals or because it is a hybrid =p'.

Yes right, there were this phrase fom Messif or something like this, who takes care of third parties in Europe.

He wasn't exactly competing or comparing to X1, just saying the aim (also there were that, give me 60fps or death).

And the threads weren't based on any comment or report from Sony, was from comparison of MPs released =] ... but we certainly had a plethora of comparison threads (one of the reasons was that some X1 fans couldn't accept that the X1 versions were a little inferior).

konnichiwa said:
I have mentioned it a few times before but I am pretty sure Xbox one hardware sold more than all of their 2017 exclusives =p

That is mean =p



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adisababa said:
Anyone have any news if there's going to be an event for Xbox exclusive games?? There has been zero or terrible marketing so far for their games and if it just releases out of the blue without any actual gameplay footage, it's safe to proclaim that Xbox has lost 2018.

I mean most of their high profile games are releasing early or spring 2018!! There HAS to be an event or their games are going to sell terribly...

Idk of any of their high profile games hey haven’t shown gameplay of. 



Pemalite said:
Mr Puggsly said:

 I'm not sure if Steam has achieved hundreds of millions of active users

Steams user statistics are all active users, if you knew anything about the PC and Steam you would know this basic fundamental fact.
Valve counts anyone who owns at-least 1 game and has logged in at-least once for that month as an active user.

So the actual REAL total number of users will be higher.

It's no contest that Steam is a larger platform than Xbox and Xbox Live!

Mr Puggsly said:

 GPUs below X1 capabilities. Especially the average laptop GPU which is common in Steam stats.

You aren't getting it. The hardware is not important.

If someone has hardware specifications that are below the Xbox One, that doesn't mean they cannot play thousands of games on Steam.

It also doesn't mean they can't play the same games they enjoy that are also on the Xbox One, there are tons of Arcade/Smaller Experiences/Light games/2D titles and such that are light on hardware, like Minecraft, Terraria, Defense Grid 2, Limbo... Or remasters like Skyrim even.

Hardware isn't everything. Even then, a large majority of PC's on Steam are equal/better than the 6~ year old Radeon derived GPU than the Xbox One anyway.

Mr Puggsly said:

I didnt say everybody considering a console would buy a X1. But evidently some do buy the X1.

Of course.

Mr Puggsly said:

You missed a major point entirely. People with powerful gaming PCs may not want a console. This is why its good MS has games on PC, additional sales from PC gamers.

Then Microsoft needs to do a better job to appeal to those with powerful gaming PC's, those people have wallets that are full of phat notes as well you know.
Those gamers are more likely to pick up a Switch or a Playstation 4 as they actually offer something new and unique.

Mr Puggsly said:

I'm not sure what MS gets from Cuphead. They did fund the game for years and its exclusive to their platform. So its possible MS is getting money from that project, we dont really know. You just made an assumption they absolutely are not.

Microsoft aren't the Publisher on Steam, if they had a financial publishing arrangement then they would be listed under Microsoft.
http://store.steampowered.com/app/268910/Cuphead/

StudioMDHR Entertainment Inc self published it on Steam.

Mr Puggsly said:

MS has numerous games on Steam and Windows Store, they make money from PC games. This is objective.

Microsoft has 38 titles/expansion packs/DLC on Steam.
http://store.steampowered.com/search/?publisher=Microsoft%20Studios

Out of 39,292.
http://store.steampowered.com/search/?
(The number counts are listed at the bottom left.)

That is 39,254 digital Items being sold on Steam that Microsoft potentially doesn't see a red cent from.

Mr Puggsly said:

If you own a capable gaming PC then you arguably dont need a X1... Unless you wanna play a few exclusives that arent on PC. Halo games, Forza Horizon 2, Sunset Overdrive, are few that come to mind that are notable.

Forza Horizon 2 is a game from 2014. - It has a successor, Forza Horizon 3... And it is on PC.
Sunset Overdrive is also a game from 2014, it's an amazing title in it's own right.
Halo games? Well. Halo Wars 1 and 2 came to PC... The PC also has one Halo game not on any Xbox console. (I will let you guess.)
The Master Chief Collection was utter garbage, Halo 5 was average... And many a person would argue that Halo's quality has been in decline.

So really, there is 1 notable title in your list. An old title. - Worth buying an Xbox One for? Probably not, it's a great game, but not that great.

As a PC gamer, I have more reason to play the Original Xbox and Xbox 360 than the Xbox One.


Mr Puggsly said:

 Also, BC is pretty rad and generally performs better than an actual 360. X1 for example currently the best way to play Red Dead Redemption.

Backwards compatibility is fantastic. Great thing the PC is backwards compatible with games dating back 30~ years and doesn't require developer/publisher approval to be backwards compatible on newer hardware.
But I am just salty at the fact a few Xbox 360 exclusives will never be backwards compatible on Xbox One as the Publisher/Developer lost the rights to the franchises.

Mr Puggsly said:

So again, X1 may lose some sales having their games on PC. But they also gain software sales from the large PC audience. I just noticed Quantum Break is kinda a sleeper hit on Steam. While Xbox games have made the Windows Store relevant and increased support.

They only financially gain anything from a PC sale if they publish the game or it is Windows Store, which if multiplayer populations are anything to judge... Isn't setting any sales records.

Quantum Break is a great game, I would even argue that it was highly underrated, Microsoft did publish that game on Steam, so they do get revenue from each sale.
But... A gamer picking up Quantum Break on Steam is potentially a lost Xbox One customer.

Don't get me wrong, I love the fact more Xbox games come to PC, I am a PC gamer first and foremost, but I also want a reason to turn my Xbox One X on, it is probably the most useless console I have ever owned... And that is saying something.

S.T.A.G.E. said:
The only thing solid about 2017 for Xbox was the major exclusives drought for two quarters.

I think the only positive thing I can leverage against Xbox for 2017 was the extremely solid hardware launch of the Xbox One X.
It doesn't have any games mind you, but it's still a solid piece of hardware that simply isn't being used right now.

Hopefully Sea of Thieves, Crackdown 3, Age of Empires, Halo 6 and a Fable 4 changes my opinion on that, Microsoft needs games.

As usual, you make arguments by making assumptions. Never claimed Xbox had a bigger userbase and we dont know the number of active users are on Steam. The actual number of active users could vary anywhere if you set no log in period and many might just be playing F2P games.

Hardware is important if you want to play technically demanding Xbox games. That was the point but you can never stay on topic.

If you have a good PC then I might suggest going with PS4 and Switch over X1. But again you miss the point. MS can still move a lot more software sharing games between PC and Xbox versus Xbox alone. I'm not sure why these points go over your head.

Forza Horizon 2 is a different game, different world to explore, its own hip soundtrack, etc. Its not like comparing Forza 6 and 7, your argument shows how little you know.

Halo:MCC, even with its shortcomings, is a great product. Its the best way to play the Halo campigns, has exclusie upgrades to Halo 2, and has multiplayer for each game. Its also gonna be updated so maybe they even imrove it beyond 4K.

Halo 5 is well above average because its virtually a total package. Good campaign, great multiplayer, and co op modes. I still play it regularly. My only big gripe is no split screen. But its above average.

My point about BC was there is good content there not on PC and it performs better than a standard Xbox in most cases. So BC is notable feature for having a X1. Again, I have to elaborate because you miss the point.

Again, people buying QB on PC might steal some X1 sales... MIGHT. But it may actually outsell the X1 version on PC over time. So the PC revenue may actually be greater than assumed X1 sales lost. Its not like X1 sales have declined by sharing games with PC.

Maybe some X1 console sales are lost by sharing with PC. But game revenue also increases by sharing with PC. That should actually encourage MS to produce more content.

X1X does have games, it has the same games on X1 with improved fidelity.

I agree, more content is needed and its apparently coming. Thats impression we've been given.

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Mr Puggsly said:
Pemalite said:

It's a legitimate concern though considering there are 125 million with 8.9 million concurrent users on steam back in 2015... And steam has continued to grow since then.
https://www.vg247.com/2015/02/24/steam-has-over-125-million-active-users-8-9m-concurrent-peak/

In-fact, Valve made a statement that they were adding roughly 1.5 million users per month.
https://www.polygon.com/2017/8/4/16095394/steam-users-count-2017-gaining-millions-per-month

There are literally hundreds of millions of PC gamers, Microsoft releasing all it's games on PC, means there are hundreds of millions of PC gamers which have zero incentive to buy an Xbox One...
PC does compete with console... And consoles need to appeal to PC gamers, their wallets are equally as valuable.

Two things...

While there may technically be hundreds of millions of PC gamers... Do they all have mahines that can run Xbox games well? Safe bet is no. Consoles are generally the cheap/simple way of playing modern games.

There is a significant audience not interested in gaming on PC, thats why consoles are still thriving. There is also a significant audience only gaming on PC. So I believe having MS games on PC and Xbox is actually a good idea because that increases profits and Xbox still has exclusive content in the console arena. So its possible Xbox is losing some sales sharing games with PC but it hasnt proven to be significant. But if it is significant, then MS must be profiting from their games selling on PC.

Im sharing your opinion. I have a pc and a xbox my pc is only for rts games , on the xbox i play shooters like halo (yeah im still playing it since 2 years its great), battlefield and racers like forza so this is the perfect constelation for me and some friends too. i dont play singleplayer games so the ps4 is not interesting me and the switch is too much casual i only would use it to play mario kart from time to time ........



Only viable if there are games for it. Relying on only third party games is not an ideal situation. Why? because there is no incentives for PS4 owners to go out and buy an Xbox console when they can get third party games on the PS4. Why do you think Switch are flying off the shelves? because they have games that you cant get anywhere else.



Kay860 said:

Only viable if there are games for it. Relying on only third party games is not an ideal situation. Why? because there is no incentives for PS4 owners to go out and buy an Xbox console when they can get third party games on the PS4. Why do you think Switch are flying off the shelves? because they have games that you cant get anywhere else.

But the WiiU had the same games and was a disaster for nintendo. i think the marketing for switch was much better and the point that you can play on sofa during your girlfriend is watching tv is the biggest improvement and thats the reason why it is selling good.



Man certain individuals are too focus on the console wars here.



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@Pemalite: "The Master Chief Collection was utter garbage, Halo 5 was average."

 

Sorry but i think you have no plan what you are talking about! Halo 5 is a killer app with a permanent big online commnity and that is something that sony dont has to offer in any their exclusives for a really long time the last game was socom on ps2........