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quickrick said:
CGI-Quality said:

N64/GameCube/Wii U vs NES/SNES/Switch. If 3/6 home consoles have "failed", how is that most?

Also, while we're at it, why not include massive successes like the GBA/DS? Or, by comparison, modest successes like the 3DS? What helped the former two sell by the truckload? Nintendo's properties had no hand in it? All questions that I expect answers to.

I already said DS/GBA were a different era, where mobile tech like decent gaming, and internet didn't really exist, they were the only good form of good entrainment on the go, why do you think we went from 230-240 million psp/ds to 84 million psp/3ds it was mobile gaming/ entertainment making it's mark.

They weren't a "different era". The DS was born, literally, as the Internet "boom" got going. And it is the second best selling gaming device.....period. The 3DS faces more hurdles, yes, and yet, it still sells well. The hybrid Switch, which takes elements from the Wii U, DS/3DS, is breaking records. And the best you've got is, "yeah, but no one's buying Nintendo's platforms for Nintendo's games".

In a nutshell, no BS side-step, what else sells Nintendo's hardware if it isn't their software? 



                                                                                                                                            

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RolStoppable said:
quickrick said:

lol Talking about twisting logic to fit your perspective. just because  you have a couple of cases of consoles starting great doesn't mean it will always be like that. wii could have died much earlier, just look at japan is started out like a monster, only sold 12 million ltd. same for N64 in America.

A year ago I wrote a thread about Switch lifetime sales because the vast majority of the VGC community had laughably low predictions.
http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=224719

I am sure that the likes of you did perceive my thread as twisting logic to fit my perspective, but when the thread is read one year after its creation, most people will nod with their head because all of the points I brought up are so plain obvious in hindsight.

The thread I linked to will remain active throughout the Switch's lifetime, so if you are convinced that Switch will falter, my thread is a golden opportunity for you to become a vGC hero if you turn out to be right. Of course, if you are wrong, it won't be pretty for you.

Pillertriller said:

You Nintendo guys overstimate the switch first year, it had three of nintendos biggest franchises and a new  franchise, and a mk rehash, and the system wasnt be able to reach ps4 numbers, and dont come with stock issues excuse lol. The PS4 had nothing special in its first year and still sold 10 million units faster than the switch. Sorry to say that but switch probably wont have another year with such big and succesessful titles like in its first year. So its pretty realistic that the switch maybe already had one of its biggest / best years. 

Switch beats the PS4 in a launch-aligned comparison through year 1. The PS4 reached 10m faster than Switch by about one week, but Switch will easily beat the PS4 to 12m.

In the thread I linked to above, I mention that even on the Wii U and 3DS Nintendo managed to have ten unique IPs sell 4m+ copies with individual installments despite the Wii U's low installed base. Only four of those ten IPs have released on Switch so far and of course nothing rules out second or even third appearances for those IPs, considering how many Pokémon games were released on the 3DS. Nintendo isn't running out of system sellers anytime soon.

What some people still don't quite understand is that Switch will be Nintendo's only console going forward, so Nintendo's first party support won't go back and forth between two consoles. This will have a notably positive effect on hardware sales momentum because software droughts are unlikely to occur under such circumstances. It also means that a possible absence of third party support wouldn't and couldn't have much of a negative impact because Nintendo turned themselves into a self-sustaining juggernaut.

Sorry with titles like Mario, Zelda, Splatoon, Xenogears, MK, Mario & Rabbits the Switch have in its first year, and still cant sell  ( much ) faster than the PS4 without any great games in its first year, and this after the weak ps3 generation... Its a fail in my eyes, definitfely no so super duper omega what ever success, i just can repeat my self, the switch probably wont have another year with such many big titles like last year, and still it was no match to the PS4, even with the super Switch Nintendo fans are hyping up at the sky, ps4 sales didnt decreased. It even had its peak year yet, it completly ignored the switch at all.



CGI-Quality said:
quickrick said:

I already said DS/GBA were a different era, where mobile tech like decent gaming, and internet didn't really exist, they were the only good form of good entrainment on the go, why do you think we went from 230-240 million psp/ds to 84 million psp/3ds it was mobile gaming/ entertainment making it's mark.

They weren't a "different era". The DS was born, literally, as the Internet "boom" got going. And it is the second best selling gaming device.....period. The 3DS faces more hurdles, yes, and yet, it still sells well. The hybrid Switch, which takes elements from the Wii U, DS/3DS, is breaking records. And the best you've got is, "yeah, but no one's buying Nintendo's platforms for Nintendo's games".

In a nutshell, no BS side-step, why is the Switch selling like it is? 

what are you talking about here? When DS was released nobody was gaming on There phones or watching youtube videos, not to mention surfing the web on the phone even in 2007-2008 was expensive, so i have no idea what you're talking about there.

As for why the switch is selling the way it is. 3ds had a good first year, n64 had good first year. so i expect switch to have a good first year too, with so many killers apps, and attracting both there user bases, but i expect it won't last just like those 2 other consoles. it will probably do 60-70 million ltd,.



CGI-Quality said:
quickrick said:

I already said DS/GBA were a different era, where mobile tech like decent gaming, and internet didn't really exist, they were the only good form of good entrainment on the go, why do you think we went from 230-240 million psp/ds to 84 million psp/3ds it was mobile gaming/ entertainment making it's mark.

They weren't a "different era". The DS was born, literally, as the Internet "boom" got going. And it is the second best selling gaming device.....period. The 3DS faces more hurdles, yes, and yet, it still sells well. The hybrid Switch, which takes elements from the Wii U, DS/3DS, is breaking records. And the best you've got is, "yeah, but no one's buying Nintendo's platforms for Nintendo's games".

In a nutshell, no BS side-step, what else sells Nintendo's hardware if it isn't their software? 

Why? Mario, Zelda, Splatoon, MK. Desperated Nintendo Fans because the Wii U desaster were starving for something new. And of course Nintendos luck, that most buyers see in the Switch a new Handheld not a console. The Answer is so easy lol

All you Nintendo fans are acting like Nintendo destroyed the competition doing something ground breaking.



Pillertriller said:

Sorry with titles like Mario, Zelda, Splatoon, Xenogears, MK, Mario & Rabbits the Switch have in its first year, and still cant sell  ( much ) faster than the PS4 without any great games in its first year, and this after the weak ps3 generation... Its a fail in my eyes, definitfely no so super duper omega what ever success, i just can repeat my self, the switch probably wont have another year with such many big titles like last year, and still it was no match to the PS4, even with the super Switch Nintendo fans are hyping up at the sky, ps4 sales didnt decreased. It even had its peak year yet, it completly ignored the switch at all.

Mhm...

Come to think of it, the Switch fell short of the DS's peak year as well. By quite a big margin, actually.



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Wii & DS sold so well (~255) because of casuals who have since moved on to playing mobile devices which caused 3DS & Wii U to sell much lower (~85m).

If casuals already left than why are people expecting a massive decrease for Switch?



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zorg1000 said:
Wii & DS sold so well (~255) because of casuals who have since moved on to playing mobile devices which caused 3DS & Wii U to sell much lower (~85m).

If casuals already left than why are people expecting a massive decrease for Switch?

I expect the decline to continue that's why, as mobile entrainment, and gaming are much better then when 3ds launched. 



quickrick said:
PortisheadBiscuit said:

Hmmmmmmm, ever heard of NES, SNES, and Wii??

nes and super nes had the best third party support in the industry at the time. it was a entirely different era where nintendo was the king of home consoles. wii sold mainly because of motion.

Point is you said MOST of their home consoles fail, 3 of 6 (actually 4 of 6 I dont consider N64 a failure) is not most.

quickrick said:
CGI-Quality said:

N64/GameCube/Wii U vs NES/SNES/Switch. If 3/6 home consoles have "failed", how is that most?

Also, while we're at it, why not include massive successes like the GBA/DS? Or, by comparison, modest successes like the 3DS? What helped the former two sell by the truckload? Nintendo's properties had no hand in it? All questions that I expect answers to.

I already said DS/GBA were a different era, where mobile tech like decent gaming, and internet didn't really exist, 

You're kidding right? The internet didn't really exist in 2001-2011?? Yeah ok...



PortisheadBiscuit said:
quickrick said:

nes and super nes had the best third party support in the industry at the time. it was a entirely different era where nintendo was the king of home consoles. wii sold mainly because of motion.

Point is you said MOST of their home consoles fail, 3 of 6 (actually 4 of 6 I dont consider N64 a failure) is not most.

quickrick said:

I already said DS/GBA were a different era, where mobile tech like decent gaming, and internet didn't really exist, 

You're kidding right? The internet didn't really exist in 2001-2011?? Yeah ok...

ugh i meant on mobile devices. the internet is the best entrainment there is, and it didn't exist on the go/mobile devices.



quickrick said:
zorg1000 said:
Wii & DS sold so well (~255) because of casuals who have since moved on to playing mobile devices which caused 3DS & Wii U to sell much lower (~85m).

If casuals already left than why are people expecting a massive decrease for Switch?

I expect the decline to continue that's why, as mobile entrainment, and gaming are much better then when 3ds launched. 

But who are these "casuals" that havent moved over to mobile yet? Can you show me software sales of "casual" Wii/DS franchises that still pushed big numbers on 3DS/Wii U?

If "casual" games didnt sell on 3DS/Wii U than we have to assume that these "casual" gamers were never on them to begin with thus they cannot leave since they dont exist.



When the herd loses its way, the shepard must kill the bull that leads them astray.