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AngryLittleAlchemist said:
StreaK said:

"Dude, I wrote all that because it's SENSE!!!"

Stating facts isn't nonsense. Writing ridiculous comments and then pretending like you're the bearer of all knowledge? That is.

"They are just facts, man, plain and simple."

No ... they aren't? Using facts in a "plain and simple" manner is an average Pemalite comment. Not a StreaK reply. I think people are confusing referencing a fact once with just stating facts "plain and simple". They are not the same thing.

"I acknowledged already elsewhere that I think the numbers the Switch is pulling are great! "

Are you just going to ignore the part in my comment where I address this? : " I wrote that comment assuming you'd want to try and remain reasonable and fair, because on some odd occasions you seem to have that attitude in mind." 

But your logic is constantly inconsistent, it would be one thing if your attitude just changed over the past months but you are constantly doing this, where you say you're just interested in hardware debate but then post something equivalent too "OH PHEW I was so worried PS4 was being beat for a minute but now that you brought that up HAHA you're right bro no way Playstation 4 is losing haha!" or "WOW some of you Switch FANBOYS!!O!!O!" or literally any comment in a VGChartz article where you agree with someone who's making a comment with the intent of downplaying a platform by saying "Dude people are so offended the truth hurts bro!!!11!!!!1!". I mean goddamn I know that numbers and exclamation points meme is so stupid but it really does accurately depict what your attitude seems to be on a lot of threads. If someone is just occasionally not being one sided that tends to mean that  their true intention is different than what's rarely being communicated. I'm not saying you're doing this on purpose but it seems like you have occasional moments where you can't control your preferences and just make bad comments because of it. You also seem very insecure about platform success.

"My problem is with all the "Nintendo guys" (and yes, that's how I'll be referring to them now) coming together and kissing Nintendo's ass like they just pulled off the greatest thing ever."

So when do you ever argue with Kerotan, or any other PS "guy" that goes around doing nothing but hyping up their  companies? Because unless you link me to multiple occasions, I've never seen it. And yeah, I hate it when people just dicksuck companies too. But honestly? I don't see that at all on this thread. Most of the people praising Nintendo aren't even Nintendo sided users and the ones that are are making relatively tame comments.

Here's some comments on this thread:

"No numbers to add context? Congrats to nintendo for achieving that. I hope that it keeps it up. " -Aelous451

"A big congratulations to Nintendo. Surpassing Wii in the same timeframe is quite the feat. " - GuyDuke

"Launch timing favors Switch here because unlike most other consoles it entered its first post-launch holiday season sooner. So whereas other consoles' month 9 and 10 were the slow July and August, Switch had November and December. However, if the timeframe of comparison were extended to a full 12 months to include all months of the year for all consoles, it wouldn't change that Switch is #1." - RolStoppable

"I don't get why Nintendo always ignore the GBA in those dichiarations... like, when Switch launched, they said Wii was the previus faster seller Nintendo console, when GBA pretty much obliterate Wii launch.And now too, Switch is not at GBA level. Actually, not even close. First 10 months GBA sold over 5.8 million, Switch is at only 4.8 million. " - Ryng_Tolu

"Well it's to be expected. The switch had a launch month and 2 holiday months in its first 10 months while other console usually launch in November and only get the launch boosts from November and some holiday sales from December. Would be more surprising If this is true when the Switch has been out for 12 months. " -jason(numbers)

I mean look, I'm not going to read the whole damn thread for you. But I tried to pick a decent amount of nintendo-sided users, neutral users, and users who might be more playstation oriented. But ultimately that's only based on what I know of the users. I could be wrong, maybe they all have Mario shrines in their closets. But do any of these comments - in any context - really sound like "kissing Nintendo's ass"? Hell no. I wouldn't even think most of these people are Nintendo .... "guys" .... if I had read just these comments alone. But even if  there's one or two users, so what? That's the same on every forum here. 

Honestly, you perceiving this as some big fan cult worship is just you reflecting your insecurities about a company or fanbase.  

"Many can't seem to comprehend that both consoles are performing amazingly and that is a fine thing. "

So why did you randomly come into this thread to make fun of people for congratulating a company's success?

"Lot's of people just want to have THE winner!"

A direct quote from you And yes, I'll stop laughing now but I'll continue chuckling hehe...I'm not nervous at all here. In fact, I'm all too confident Switch won't even come close to PS4 total worldwide numbers. "

"So yeah, when the Nintendo guys try to put down the PS4's success I'll be there bringing them back to reality. Because reality is the Switch won't come close to touching the PS4. PS3 vs 360 - THAT kinda level of close. If a console sells 20+ million more units than it's a clear winner."

..................Wow........................................

"Call me anything you want, man. Words don't hurt me."

I literally did not call you anything and I didn't say anything that was meant to hurt you. I know your reply would have been "But you said something I said was pathetic". Yeah, it was. That's not an insult at you it's criticizing an idea you wrote through text with honest terminology. 

"You could have just said, "yeah, we get it!" and be done with it."

You wrote wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy more than me. Your reply to my small joke was 301 characters. My reply to that was 218. Your reply to that was 391. You could have "just said" anything and/or walked away but you didn't, and decided to elaborate. As it turns out internet, elaborating on your replies cause other people to elaborate, and I'm not ashamed to elaborate. And considering your reply to an obvious joke, I think you need to take your own advice.

Look dude, I wasn't pretending to be anything. You're just downplaying something I said as nonsense when it's just simple truth. Europe MATTERS! A lot. Obviously this shouldn't have to be news to anyone lol. I'm not trying to be anyone. I just want to remind people what Europe can do to the numbers and well, PS does so well in the European/others regions. The examples I have used with Titanic/Avatar and heck even the PS3 vs X360; one can only look up those results and the numbers ( yep they are facts because it actually happened) speak for themselves. I'm just stating something that yes INDEED is simple - Europe is huge and I can't stress it enough. And to me, which is my OPINION, Europe is the deciding factor whether PS4 will be on top or not based on the examples I have used. I have the right to feel that way based on what I know about Europe.

I really have nothing against Nintendo. I hate Microsoft but really have nothing against anyone preferring Xbox. I honestly don't care what anyone prefers. It's their choice. Heck, I didn't buy the Wii because everyone else did, come on now. Yes, I happen to be a Sony guy because ever since the PS1 the PS has been my main console of choice. Anyway, my aggressive attitude will come through when someone is clearly putting out information that benefits their preferred console. "Ohhh, the Switch is killing the PS4". And I see much more of this positive Nintendo side than I do for PS4, so it just comes naturally to me....wait a minute, the PS4 IS doing extremely well, did I just miss something here. How is the switch exactly killing it? I can go on and on about this but it would require too much text (it's all psychological babble) ...basically I'll simplify it by just stating, the comments I see that are like "wow, the switch is really competing with the PS4 with its massive sales" or "the PS4 looks like it has some competition due to how well Switch is selling" tells me that BOTH these consoles are performing well and there is no point in angering anyone over it. Sure, I'm guilty of it too - PS4 PREVAILS! But I'll admit, I'm asking for the down votes...

The winning thing of course included myself, as well. It was just a statement that many people would like to see their preferred product come out on top. Honestly, in the end, it doesn't bother me. I guess what bothers me is I think many people here are annoyed that Sony does well. Based on some of the comments I have read in the articles and the reactions I read to people making cool comments about the PS4, well, it just speaks volumes to me. Everything about the PS4 gets washed away...you can't even speak about the PS4 without getting down voted lol. You wanna talk about pathetic??? I only started commenting here again based on these kinds of remarks. So yeah, let's bring in  some PS4 love to the site and see how that goes.

Hey, thanks for the laugh btw - those over-exaggerated comments I have made? I'll let it slide, but at least they made a point. I'll admit it can be childish to a degree, but it was INTENDED to be so. It was kinda like, see...I CAN DO THAT TOO! How does THAT feel? Ridiculous, right? That's pretty much what it is.

Also, the lengthy posts? Well, as pointless as it may have been to you I had to remind you and others how powerful the WORLD is as a whole. Yeah, there's many (in the US lol) who will want to believe it's all about America. I'm just saying, America is now turning out to be a little chunk of the overall equation. Also, I still believe the Switch is pulling these numbers in the US mainly due to having an unheard of not one but TWO 97-scoring AAA games on launch. Many consoles don't even get 1 at launch. PS4 did similarly without anything to really rave home about. So that's why it may seem like I am making fun of Nintendo. PS4 is reaching its sales momentum NOW. What will Switch be like years down the road. Well, we'll see....

But whatever, I'm kinda back out for a bit now. I'll let the battle continue. In the end, nothing really matters. Just enjoy your thing. ;) I'll be back when the PS4 is declared the "winner" lol. Let's just wait and see.

Man, I can't believe I had to type all that but I really had no choice this time. I hate quoting lengthy posts.

VideoGameAccountant said:

Quick reply but from reading through the thread, there are two things I want to point out.

Switch's Early Success Means Future Success

The console business is momentum based. Usually, if you get out the door running, you'll have a successful console. Even in situations where the manufacturer turns it around, it's mostly negligible. The 3DS is a good example of that. After a lackluster launch, Nintendo cut the price by $80 which saved the system. Even still, after 7 years it's only sold about 70 million. The GBA sold 80 million despite only getting about 4 years on the market.

Because the Switch is selling so well in Japan and the US, major publishers are going to be rushing to get games on it. We are already seeing this in Japan and it will likely happen very soon in the US. With news that Switch is the fastest selling console, don't be surprised if the next earnings releases from major US publishers mention that they are making games for the Switch.

This is the momentum. A strong selling console builds an install base. The big install base attracts developers who make more games. More games drive the install base. Even though everyone clamors that the Wii didn't have a lot of third party support, it did get a lot of third party games. It was just that developers often treated them as side projects due to "third party games don't sell on Wii." This isn't the case on Switch with DOOM, Skyrim and Sonic Mania (among others) selling well on the Switch. It will get tons of games that will drive the install base. This is the big takeaway that no one is talking about.

Switch Will Outsell PS4 because Europe is not enough

I don't know why people are still claiming PS4 will outsell Switch worldwide? The Switch is outselling the PS4 in Japan (I think it's at around 40-50% of PS4's LTD sales). It's selling faster than the PS4 in the US. Outselling Switch in Europe won't be enough to put PS4 over Switch. The PS4 would have to sell more than Switch there by a greater margin than Switch outsell PS4 in both Japan and the US. It's not going to happen. Look at the 360. It crushed the PS3 in the US but because it couldn't sell in Japan or Europe (outside of the UK), it was outsold by PS3 worldwide. This is the same scenario here. I don't know why people still think PS4 can beat Switch.

Ummm, Xbox literally had NO sales in Japan and the Switch will not be a CLEAR champion in the US but will most likely (just based on MY personal opinion - I really gotta point that out hehe) have a healthy lead in Europe. So yeah, say what you will but there is no way I'm going to believe the Switch will beat the PS4's WW. Just no way. I can't wait to find out, though. :)

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Wow people are getting riled. That can only mean one thing..... Nintendo are doing well again.



VideoGameAccountant said:

Switch Will Outsell PS4 because Europe is not enough

I don't know why people are still claiming PS4 will outsell Switch worldwide? The Switch is outselling the PS4 in Japan (I think it's at around 40-50% of PS4's LTD sales). It's selling faster than the PS4 in the US. Outselling Switch in Europe won't be enough to put PS4 over Switch. The PS4 would have to sell more than Switch there by a greater margin than Switch outsell PS4 in both Japan and the US. It's not going to happen. Look at the 360. It crushed the PS3 in the US but because it couldn't sell in Japan or Europe (outside of the UK), it was outsold by PS3 worldwide. This is the same scenario here. I don't know why people still think PS4 can beat Switch.

Because Japan is a signficantly smaller market compared to EU. Just look at Wii and 3DS sales, and you'll see the difference. While the 3DS sold ~23m in Japan vs. 20m in Europe, the Wii sold 40m in Europe, and only 12m in Japan. The total potential sales in Japan are just that much lower.

xMetroid said:
The thing is the Switch just launch in 2 new regions early December and is (reportedly) launching in China next year. When you see even Pokémon wants to get big time in China from the recent news yesterday, makes you wonder if Nintendo can have a success there. The Switch is perfect for the market and they have huge games coming exclusively on it that are already popular in China. It could really be a game changer.

How is the switch perfect for China? While China is called "mobile" gaming market, this mobility includes one additional factor: "always online". The Switch isn't always online. Physical sales are practically non existent in China, which comes to the second problem the Switch has: limited storage space. Thus we get to the third problem: High spec smartphones are vastly cheaper in china as compared to the west (even starting at 64 GB storage). Lastly, smartphones have signficantly more functionality in China compared to the west (WeChat, WePay, etc.) Unless the Switch takes on all of that, every Chinese will still buy a smartphone (at high specs) that is capable of good mobile gaming. Why would they go for a Switch at that point?

The simplistic logic of "mobile gaming is huge in China" equaling "the switch is a mobile console, therefore it will be a success in China" is flawed on many levels. It ignores the reason for why mobile gaming is big in China. It ignores what "mobile" consists of in China. It ignores other problems the Switch might face in China.

Yes, 王者荣耀 is getting released on Switch in China. But why would you play it on the Switch if you're already playing it on your phone? It's a vastly different scenario from only being able to play Skyrim at home infront of the TV/PC, vs. being able to play Skyrim everywhere, including the potty.



zippy said:
Wow people are getting riled. That can only mean one thing..... Nintendo are doing well again.

True which is creating a lot of positive headlines about Nintendo.

I still think this has a lot to do with the WiiU confusion. I think the NAME killed the WiiU. I don't think most people actually saw it as a new console but more like a 32X thing like Sega did with the Genesis back in the day. Nintendo consoles always need a NEW unique name. They never used the same name TWICE like with the Wii. There was never a SNES2 or N64 extreme, or whatever. The Switch nailed it home to the audience. It was loud and clear it was something different and a successor to the Wii. 

I mean, the WiiU would have had BOTW and Mario Odyssey yet no one was buying it. Why was this???

I'll wait and see how the sales continue or else this is just a lot of Nintendo followers wanting their true Wii sequel, which was not the WiiU.



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zippy said:
Wow people are getting riled. That can only mean one thing..... Nintendo are doing well again.

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PortisheadBiscuit said:
VideoGameAccountant said:

Quick reply but from reading through the thread, there are two things I want to point out.

Switch's Early Success Means Future Success

The console business is momentum based. Usually, if you get out the door running, you'll have a successful console. Even in situations where the manufacturer turns it around, it's mostly negligible. The 3DS is a good example of that. After a lackluster launch, Nintendo cut the price by $80 which saved the system. Even still, after 7 years it's only sold about 70 million. The GBA sold 80 million despite only getting about 4 years on the market.

Because the Switch is selling so well in Japan and the US, major publishers are going to be rushing to get games on it. We are already seeing this in Japan and it will likely happen very soon in the US. With news that Switch is the fastest selling console, don't be surprised if the next earnings releases from major US publishers mention that they are making games for the Switch.

This is the momentum. A strong selling console builds an install base. The big install base attracts developers who make more games. More games drive the install base. Even though everyone clamors that the Wii didn't have a lot of third party support, it did get a lot of third party games. It was just that developers often treated them as side projects due to "third party games don't sell on Wii." This isn't the case on Switch with DOOM, Skyrim and Sonic Mania (among others) selling well on the Switch. It will get tons of games that will drive the install base. This is the big takeaway that no one is talking about.

Switch Will Outsell PS4 because Europe is not enough

I don't know why people are still claiming PS4 will outsell Switch worldwide? The Switch is outselling the PS4 in Japan (I think it's at around 40-50% of PS4's LTD sales). It's selling faster than the PS4 in the US. Outselling Switch in Europe won't be enough to put PS4 over Switch. The PS4 would have to sell more than Switch there by a greater margin than Switch outsell PS4 in both Japan and the US. It's not going to happen. Look at the 360. It crushed the PS3 in the US but because it couldn't sell in Japan or Europe (outside of the UK), it was outsold by PS3 worldwide. This is the same scenario here. I don't know why people still think PS4 can beat Switch.

Great points! Though I disagree about Switch outselling PS4 WW, Sony infiltrates markets (even outside of Europe) where Nintendo doesn't have a presence. Also Europe + USA (PS4) is a much bigger market than USA + Japan (Switch). I personally see Switch topping out at about 80-85m

The three major video game markets are still Japan, Europe (as a whole) and the US. That's been the case in previous generations and is the same here. The problem is these "other regions" aren't big enough to make up any difference. Another historical example: the Master System actually sold well in South America, but the Master System was still crushed globally by the NES. Selling better in two of the three regions means you'll outsell the other system worldwide. The only way I can see the PS4 outselling the Switch is if the margin is razor thin, and I don't see that happening. Switch is the fastest selling system in the US and is selling faster than the PS2 in Japan (which sales are similar to the DS's). The gap will be too great for Europe and a bunch of other smaller countries making up the difference. It's also clear Nintendo is planning to expand into S. Korea, Hong Kong and China so I doubt we can look at PS4 outselling Switch world wide because of some smaller countries. 

fatslob-:O said:
VideoGameAccountant said:


Switch Will Outsell PS4 because Europe is not enough

I don't know why people are still claiming PS4 will outsell Switch worldwide? The Switch is outselling the PS4 in Japan (I think it's at around 40-50% of PS4's LTD sales). It's selling faster than the PS4 in the US. Outselling Switch in Europe won't be enough to put PS4 over Switch. The PS4 would have to sell more than Switch there by a greater margin than Switch outsell PS4 in both Japan and the US. It's not going to happen. Look at the 360. It crushed the PS3 in the US but because it couldn't sell in Japan or Europe (outside of the UK), it was outsold by PS3 worldwide. This is the same scenario here. I don't know why people still think PS4 can beat Switch.

Actually, it's more than enough. When all is said and done PS4's total deficit in Japan compared to the Switch will be outstripped by PS4's surplus in Europe because at this point in time Switch is trailing behind the 3DS in Japan so it'll end up with lower lifetime sales in that region compared to it's predecessor while the PS4 has been consistently tracking ahead of it's predecessor in that region for a much longer time ... (PS4 will probably have a 15M+ unit advantage in Europe while the Switch will have a 10M+ unit advantage in Japan with PS4's advantage in the RotW at large yet to be factored in) 

Wii had stronger US sales than the 360 did at their respective start but did the Wii come out on top in the US ? 

Well first, PS4 is going to have to make up two gaps: US and Japan. That's the reason PS4 won't beat out Switch. Because consoles are momentum driven and the Switch has stronger momentum than the PS4, Switch will outsell it in those regions. Regardless, let's look at Japan.

In about the systems's 4th year, PS4 has sold about 5 million systems in Japan. The system won't be able to break 10 million LTD. The Switch has already sold at least half of that in a single year. Right now, the 3DS has sold 23 million in Japan. If we assume that the Switch sells less (which is dumb and I'll say why in a minute), then the Switch will sell about 20 million LTD in that region. This means, at a minimum, PS4's European sales will have to make up a gap of 10 million plus any gap that comes out of the US. But this is assuming the Switch is closer to 3DS sales than it is to DS sales. The PS2 sold about 23 million units. So Switch could easily sell 25 million units if the pace continues (and given the shortages of even games, I don't see it slowing). The reason the 3DS is selling faster is that it was the successor to the most successful system in Japan. The Switch didn't take off for a few months in Japan like it did in the US because Zelda is less popular there. Once Mario Kart and Splatoon came out, the system became sold out. So when you compare those two systems, a life to date tracking is going to be off because the Switch started slower and ramped up while the 3DS started strong and then fizzled out (which is why the price cut). 

The idea that PS4 will still outsell Switch is a lack of understanding of simple arithmetic and wishful thinking. In order for PS4 to outsell Switch, the difference in European sales needs to be greater than the difference in both US sales and Japan sales. And Switch isn't doing too bad in Europe as its selling about the same as it is in the US (based on Nintendo earnings releases). Moreover, Europe is not this magical sales region. If you look at historical sales, the best selling systems sold about the same in Europe and the US. PS4 is selling about the same in the US as it is in Europe (only about 3 million off). So no, it's not going to happen.

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StreaK said:
zippy said:
Wow people are getting riled. That can only mean one thing..... Nintendo are doing well again.

True which is creating a lot of positive headlines about Nintendo.

I still think this has a lot to do with the WiiU confusion. I think the NAME killed the WiiU. I don't think most people actually saw it as a new console but more like a 32X thing like Sega did with the Genesis back in the day. Nintendo consoles always need a NEW unique name. They never used the same name TWICE like with the Wii. There was never a SNES2 or N64 extreme, or whatever. The Switch nailed it home to the audience. It was loud and clear it was something different and a successor to the Wii. 

I mean, the WiiU would have had BOTW and Mario Odyssey yet no one was buying it. Why was this???

I'll wait and see how the sales continue or else this is just a lot of Nintendo followers wanting their true Wii sequel, which was not the WiiU.

It's selling because....It's a great concept, Nintendo fans don't have to buy both a handheld and home console like in previous gens , and hardcore fans have always wanted a console like experience on the go and it's the first time it's been executed properly. It suits so many different play styles and fits around people's lifestyle choices. It's not just Nintendo fans snapping it up, which I have witnessed first hand. I have friends and relatives that are XBox and PlayStation enthusiasts who have all bought Switch systems because shock horror Nintendo have made hardware that actually excites and appeals to them. I know at least 15 non Nintendo gamers ( im from the UK, there are many) who have picked this up. Many professional athletes have a Switch which is great free promotion when their tweeting about it. Let's just say that there are no reasons Switch is doing well other than Nintendo got it right. It's good for the industry and folk should give credit where it's due.



Ryng_Tolu said:
RolStoppable said:

Small correction to your post: Wii U was $300/350 at launch.

But yes, the PS4 isn't going to be hard to beat. Its yearly sales hover around the 5m mark while the consoles that sold 40m+ in the USA had years of 7m+. There's no console challenging Switch, so a growing game library is bound to lead to an increase in sales over 2017.

I bought the Zombie U bundle at 390€ back in 2012 in Europe, i thought the price was similar to that in USA, my bad.

But yeah, i don't see PS4 selling 40 million in USA. The 35 million range looks more likely, even with a 2020 release. Current PS4 sales are a bit over 23 million, i don't see PS4 almost double that.

For Switch, after almost 5m in 2017, i see at least 2 years in the 7/8m range, and then a steadily drop to 4-6m years.

PS4 reaching 35M in USA would already be quite good, but yes Switch outselling PS4 in USA is possible outcome.

peachbuggy said:
duduspace1 said:

I noticed that too even though it is now changing ever so slowly. If it continues the domination of the online market, it is only a matter of time before the shelf space situation changes and I wonder how well it would actually be selling when that happens.

Even in the days the Wii and DS were dominating in the U.K., the stores still had far more shelf space for Ps360. When the 3DS was doing pretty well and the ps4/xbone were out, the older models (Ps360) still had more shelf space than it. I've often thought there was something fishy going on. (Backhanders?) Nintendo really ought to have more presence here, particularly in regards to store shelf space. A dedicated office and proper  sales reps to ensure shelf space would be a start.

So do you think stores tried to have less profits by not giving Nintendo shelf space? Odd.

SpokenTruth said:

I laughed a lot at this =]

Probelas said:

Fake News made up by Nintendo , I really doubt that

Companies can't publically lie like that... They may as much narrow the point to its most favorable portion.

duduspace1 said:
StreaK said:

And Europe is HUGE!!! Look what Europe/Foreigners did for Titanic and Avatar films. I'm in Canada, but I couldn't care less about my own Country's sales - a measly 35 million - or even NA sales US/Canada (roughly 400 million). The fact is, I've always ever cared about what the WORLD as a whole considers popular. Nintendo may have Japan, Sony may have Germany, Microsoft may have US...whatever it may be. Each console could have its strongest territory, but the bottomline is when you tally up the BIG picture, that's when the holy grail shines. 

Titanic did $630+ million US and a whopping $1.5 million in the foreign market.

Avatar did $760 million US and a staggering  $2+ billion overseas/foreign. 

It's all about the BIG picture. YOU or the next blow joe may care about the US but I love the WORLDWIDE results, and will always favour what comes out on top WORLDWIDE.

And yes, I'll stop laughing now but I'll continue chuckling hehe...I'm not nervous at all here. In fact, I'm all too confident Switch won't even come close to PS4 total worldwide numbers. Sorry, but someone has to broadcast the BIG picture here in the sea of Nintendo followers. These Nintendo guys are so quick to hail them as the champions so yes, let's wait and see. I can't wait to be there chuckling. :D

I hate having to come out and write this, but man...some things just have to be spoken out. For some reason all this so-called news on the Switch being on top is actually unsettling to me considering at the end of the gen, we'll be talking about how PS4 garnered so many sales. I'm still in line of it selling up to 130 million and I don't quite see the Switch breaking 100 million.

Beware......of the 'Hybrid Effect'. This console is unlike anything you've ever seen Bruv and weird things are happening. For example.....FIFA 18 on the switch sold more than FIFA 18 on the PS4 in Japan this past week according to Famitsu. Don't be too surprised if you see that happen soon in a European country like France in the very near future.

And in UK Fifa18 marketshare for Switch was 1%, so Switch will be a flop?

VideoGameAccountant said:

Quick reply but from reading through the thread, there are two things I want to point out.

Switch's Early Success Means Future Success

The console business is momentum based. Usually, if you get out the door running, you'll have a successful console. Even in situations where the manufacturer turns it around, it's mostly negligible. The 3DS is a good example of that. After a lackluster launch, Nintendo cut the price by $80 which saved the system. Even still, after 7 years it's only sold about 70 million. The GBA sold 80 million despite only getting about 4 years on the market.

Because the Switch is selling so well in Japan and the US, major publishers are going to be rushing to get games on it. We are already seeing this in Japan and it will likely happen very soon in the US. With news that Switch is the fastest selling console, don't be surprised if the next earnings releases from major US publishers mention that they are making games for the Switch.

This is the momentum. A strong selling console builds an install base. The big install base attracts developers who make more games. More games drive the install base. Even though everyone clamors that the Wii didn't have a lot of third party support, it did get a lot of third party games. It was just that developers often treated them as side projects due to "third party games don't sell on Wii." This isn't the case on Switch with DOOM, Skyrim and Sonic Mania (among others) selling well on the Switch. It will get tons of games that will drive the install base. This is the big takeaway that no one is talking about.

Switch Will Outsell PS4 because Europe is not enough

I don't know why people are still claiming PS4 will outsell Switch worldwide? The Switch is outselling the PS4 in Japan (I think it's at around 40-50% of PS4's LTD sales). It's selling faster than the PS4 in the US. Outselling Switch in Europe won't be enough to put PS4 over Switch. The PS4 would have to sell more than Switch there by a greater margin than Switch outsell PS4 in both Japan and the US. It's not going to happen. Look at the 360. It crushed the PS3 in the US but because it couldn't sell in Japan or Europe (outside of the UK), it was outsold by PS3 worldwide. This is the same scenario here. I don't know why people still think PS4 can beat Switch.

No man, PS4 is not only winning in Europe, it also wins on RotW, in case you may not remember they still count.

Case in point, PS4 reached 10M 1 week faster than Switch.



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DonFerrari said:

VideoGameAccountant said:

Quick reply but from reading through the thread, there are two things I want to point out.

Switch's Early Success Means Future Success

The console business is momentum based. Usually, if you get out the door running, you'll have a successful console. Even in situations where the manufacturer turns it around, it's mostly negligible. The 3DS is a good example of that. After a lackluster launch, Nintendo cut the price by $80 which saved the system. Even still, after 7 years it's only sold about 70 million. The GBA sold 80 million despite only getting about 4 years on the market.

Because the Switch is selling so well in Japan and the US, major publishers are going to be rushing to get games on it. We are already seeing this in Japan and it will likely happen very soon in the US. With news that Switch is the fastest selling console, don't be surprised if the next earnings releases from major US publishers mention that they are making games for the Switch.

This is the momentum. A strong selling console builds an install base. The big install base attracts developers who make more games. More games drive the install base. Even though everyone clamors that the Wii didn't have a lot of third party support, it did get a lot of third party games. It was just that developers often treated them as side projects due to "third party games don't sell on Wii." This isn't the case on Switch with DOOM, Skyrim and Sonic Mania (among others) selling well on the Switch. It will get tons of games that will drive the install base. This is the big takeaway that no one is talking about.

Switch Will Outsell PS4 because Europe is not enough

I don't know why people are still claiming PS4 will outsell Switch worldwide? The Switch is outselling the PS4 in Japan (I think it's at around 40-50% of PS4's LTD sales). It's selling faster than the PS4 in the US. Outselling Switch in Europe won't be enough to put PS4 over Switch. The PS4 would have to sell more than Switch there by a greater margin than Switch outsell PS4 in both Japan and the US. It's not going to happen. Look at the 360. It crushed the PS3 in the US but because it couldn't sell in Japan or Europe (outside of the UK), it was outsold by PS3 worldwide. This is the same scenario here. I don't know why people still think PS4 can beat Switch.

No man, PS4 is not only winning in Europe, it also wins on RotW, in case you may not remember they still count.

Case in point, PS4 reached 10M 1 week faster than Switch.

What I'm saying is Switch will outsell PS4 in Japan and US. Based on current trends, that's what is going to happen and because consoles are momentum based (first year determines later years). PS4 did reach 10 million faster but this is considering PS4 launched in November and Switch launched in March, and the difference was only a week. After its firs holiday, it's the fastest selling system in the US. Trend is in Switch;s favor. 



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VideoGameAccountant said:
DonFerrari said:

No man, PS4 is not only winning in Europe, it also wins on RotW, in case you may not remember they still count.

Case in point, PS4 reached 10M 1 week faster than Switch.

What I'm saying is Switch will outsell PS4 in Japan and US. Based on current trends, that's what is going to happen and because consoles are momentum based (first year determines later years). PS4 did reach 10 million faster but this is considering PS4 launched in November and Switch launched in March, and the difference was only a week. After its firs holiday, it's the fastest selling system in the US. Trend is in Switch;s favor. 

Nope you were also saying it would sell more WW because it is selling more in Japan and USA.

Yes and Switch launched selling out for over 6 months so launching in Holiday wouldn't have grow the sales since there wouldn't be any supply, but I won't do another lenght discussion on this.

At this moment it is more likely for PS4 to sell over 130M and Switch 100M than the opposite, but good luck on that.



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