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DonFerrari on 03 January 2018
nemo37 said:
DonFerrari said:

What a great deal on X1, makes Switch not that much desirable in comparison at the same time.

The pricing and value offered by Switch versus the other systems has always been off to me (I have always believed the price is between $100-$50 too high). I feel a key factor that could hurt Switch in 2018 will be its price (lineup will also be key but at this point the line up is most unknown). With that being said though when I look at the number I do not feel the desirability of the Switch (at least versus the Xbox One in Europe; PS4 in Europe is a whole other story) is really at stake, after all as mentioned above MS was selling the system nearly at half the price of the Switch and bundling games as well and yet, in this week anyway, it managed to only do better by around 10K.

Switch is still the hot stuff and people are willing to pay a premium for it, but as you said, 2018 it may not be the situation anymore.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

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nemo37 on 03 January 2018
DonFerrari said:
nemo37 said:

The pricing and value offered by Switch versus the other systems has always been off to me (I have always believed the price is between $100-$50 too high). I feel a key factor that could hurt Switch in 2018 will be its price (lineup will also be key but at this point the line up is most unknown). With that being said though when I look at the number I do not feel the desirability of the Switch (at least versus the Xbox One in Europe; PS4 in Europe is a whole other story) is really at stake, after all as mentioned above MS was selling the system nearly at half the price of the Switch and bundling games as well and yet, in this week anyway, it managed to only do better by around 10K.

Switch is still the hot stuff and people are willing to pay a premium for it, but as you said, 2018 it may not be the situation anymore.

I do hope Nintendo will be willing to reduce the price. I recall they could not do that with Wii U because the system was already selling at a loss (something which the Switch is not doing, though profit margins are not really high on it either) and also they did not sell enough so that they could manufacture more in order to reduce costs through high volume manufacturing. Now (I am talking about in January of 2018) is most likely well above 10 million units sold (plus more shipped). I hope costs have reduced to the point that Nintendo can drop the price should momentum decrease. I feel that with an appropriate price drop (lets say to $250 early on and maybe to $200 some time after that) combined with a good library (the backlog from last year is great, but it still needs much more) it can be quite successful. But that price right now has me quite worried. 



ABizzel1 on 03 January 2018

I doubt we'll see $200, at best something weird like $229.  But $250 bundled with a game is the sweet spot.



TheLegendaryWolf on 03 January 2018
DonFerrari said:
TidensMester said:
Xbox One selling more than Switch in Europe have an (easy) explanation. As an example here in Denmark the Xbox One console is insanely cheaper than the Nintendo Switch. Some retailers as Power and Elgiganten oftenly lower their Xbox One prices to less than 200 euro including a game. I personally bought a XOne S for the price of 160 euro, including Assassin's Creed Origins the day after Christmas. As a comparison, my Switch was bought for 300 euro, almost double of the price.

What a great deal on X1, makes Switch not that much desirable in comparison at the same time.

Well the XB1 has been available for far longer, giving them the edge to lower prices as production costs drop, allowing the retailers to further sweeten the deal.



Pionner on 03 January 2018

Is this BF week?



Formerly ilovegirls69  :(

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Normchacho on 03 January 2018
Pionner said:
Is this BF week?

The week after.



Bet with Adamblaziken:

I bet that on launch the Nintendo Switch will have no built in in-game voice chat. He bets that it will. The winner gets six months of avatar control over the other user.

AnmolRed on 03 January 2018
Pionner said:
Is this BF week?

No, this is the week next to BF



Erosensei on 03 January 2018

Very good sales for Switch, and i'm glad because it's an awesome console!



DonFerrari on 03 January 2018
nemo37 said:
DonFerrari said:

Switch is still the hot stuff and people are willing to pay a premium for it, but as you said, 2018 it may not be the situation anymore.

I do hope Nintendo will be willing to reduce the price. I recall they could not do that with Wii U because the system was already selling at a loss (something which the Switch is not doing, though profit margins are not really high on it either) and also they did not sell enough so that they could manufacture more in order to reduce costs through high volume manufacturing. Now (I am talking about in January of 2018) is most likely well above 10 million units sold (plus more shipped). I hope costs have reduced to the point that Nintendo can drop the price should momentum decrease. I feel that with an appropriate price drop (lets say to $250 early on and maybe to $200 some time after that) combined with a good library (the backlog from last year is great, but it still needs much more) it can be quite successful. But that price right now has me quite worried. 

250 with Zelda would be a very good price for February onwards imho.

TheLegendaryWolf said:
DonFerrari said:

What a great deal on X1, makes Switch not that much desirable in comparison at the same time.

Well the XB1 has been available for far longer, giving them the edge to lower prices as production costs drop, allowing the retailers to further sweeten the deal.

Sure X1 and PS4 are older and cheaper to manufacture, still Nintendo is on the same market and if costing the double while being half as powerful it may drive customers away after the early adopters buy.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

bubblegamer on 03 January 2018
Poweranimals said:
trunkswd said:

Once you add in the week ending December 9 it will be over 10 million without adjusting down previous weeks. 

I'm sure 10 million was an estimate. No point in bragging about 10.2 million or whatever.

By your logic it could just as well be 9.8 million. There is no way to know, so 10 million is a safer bet.