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Pemalite said:

 

BillyBong said:

What was x1's last true exclusive Not on pc?  Halo 5?  Released back in 2015?  how many felt mislead by MS this far in on this gen cycle with MS's lack of focus on games?  Is it not the games and exclusives that determine what console you move forward with when purchasing a new console, Especially when moving to next gen?  I'm just saying MS took away any incentive to buy an x1 Especially now with their narrative being play anywhere and "the best place to play multiplat", but only if you buy the 1x?  Dont see how that's hard to understand.  


You are pretty much recycling the same argument here.

However, 30+ million gamers found some sort of incentive to buy an Xbox One, that's the facts, having a few people being regretful of their purchase decision doesn't change that fact.

 

I disagree for one specific thing that seems to be overlooked.  Gamers follow exclusives.  That's normally the incentive of why anyone chooses the console they choose to purchase.  It's not the call of duties, or gta's that people associate with which console they will buy.. You buy Xbox because of the Halo's, the Gears, etc.. Just like you would buy PS4 for the God of Wars, Uncharted, etc.   You bought the console because those exclusives can only be played on that console.   Multiplats are irrelevant because those can be played via other means.

That is my point with this post.  Xbox exclusives are no longer Xbox exclusives 3 years in current gen.  The majority of that 30 mil are year 1-3 buyers who went with xbox because the exclusives lined up with their preferences from prior gens... but to now know a few years into gen 8 that you didn't need an xbox anymore to play those games..  MS basically killed the main incentive of investing in their console in the first place. Would those gamers of still chose the xbox route had they known this would happen?  If I can play MS games on my PC, multiplats on my PC and PS4, and PS4 exclusives on PS4 only, then why would I ever consider needing an Xbox?  There's more incentive for me to pick up a Switch.  And then to add, there's been a serious drought of MS AAA exclusives  and new IPs (0 xbox only since 2015) compared to your competitor.

Halo defined OG xbox.  Gears defined the 360.  What will define the x1 when all is said and done?  I just must not see it.. the logical reason for anyone to move towards Xbox at this point.  I feel that maybe those that did initially (those year 1-3 buyers that make up the majority of userbase, incentive and all) got gypped.

Last edited by BillyBong - on 07 January 2018

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Pemalite said:
Azzanation said:

Your issue right there is how you expanded the topic to an outer territory. Mobiles, Board Games and other activities.

The Subject is about PC and Console. Basically what others are saying in here is "Why buy an Xbox when you can buy a PC" and my answer is simple and true "Not all gamers want to game on PC" that means there are many gamers out there who enjoy the console simplicity and will buy an Xbox over a PC. Other markets don't factor in here because someone that wants to play Xbox games wont be able to on other methods unless its a PC or an Xbox. 

Am I wrong here?

Or are you going to agree with the others and say all gamers don't want to game on Xbox, they all want PCs instead?

 

So... Basically, you don't want to include anything that makes your statement erroneous? Got it.

 

Azzanation said:

Or are you going to agree with the others and say all gamers don't want to game on Xbox, they all want PCs instead?

Why do I need to even repeat this a second time?
I am neither agreeing or disagreeing with you, the world isn't binary you know, you are allowed to be impartial.

 

So basically you know I am right yet you want to move the goal posts. I can guarantee you that 100% of the world does not want to game on PC, weather you agree to that is up to you. There are already gamers in this thread that are Xbox only gamers, There is your proof. If you think that no one wants to buy Xbox than you can join the others with this topic, I will not change your mind. However that doesn't mean I have to change my opinion. Prove me wrong and I will gladly. Which no one has, so I will stick to my guns.

Just to prove you wrong with your 1st Statement. Xbox games are only on Win10 PCs and Xbox Consoles which labels out your argument with mobile, broadgames and Pen and Paper. 

Xbox has sold over 30+ million consoles and the X has had a great launch. If no one wanted to buy Xboxes than that wouldn't still be the case with the X. Am I right here?

Also - I don't care what platforms people game on, you can own all systems that doesn't mean much to this topic. Be negative that is fine, however my point is pretty straight forward and simple. 

Quote:

---Why do I need to even repeat this a second time?
I am neither agreeing or disagreeing with you, the world isn't binary you know, you are allowed to be impartial.---

 

If you are going to post than stay on topic. If you want to hold a grudge on someone due to your last debate with them than I am not interested. If you have something that is interesting, important and all relates to this topic at hand than Ill repeat myself again

---Not all gamers want to game on PC--- (Do you agree or disagree with my Post)? 

If you are neither than I suggest you move on. This is a debate. if you have something personal to tell me than please Message me personally.

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BillyBong said:
Pemalite said:


However, 30+ million gamers found some sort of incentive to buy an Xbox One, that's the facts, having a few people being regretful of their purchase decision doesn't change that fact.

 

I disagree for one specific thing that seems to be overlooked.  Gamers follow exclusives. 

Doesn't matter.

Incentive within that very context means that people were incentivized to buy an Xbox One.
That is... 30+ million gamers were encouraged/motivated to purchase the Xbox One.

Lack of exclusives, people regretting their decision, people even selling their console later has nothing to do with the initial purchase incentive.

BillyBong said:

That's normally the incentive of why anyone chooses the console they choose to purchase. 

No. That is the incentive for other people to buy a console.
Everyone has different incentives.

BillyBong said:

It's not the call of duties, or gta's that people associate with which console they will buy.. 

For some, that is the only reason to buy a console. But often may only buy a particular brand as that is what their friends own and thus wish to play with their friends.
I think the issue here is you are trying to paint everyone as having the same needs/wants/desires, when that just isn't the case.

Not everyone actually cares about exclusives... And then you get others who ONLY want exclusives.

BillyBong said:

MS basically killed the main incentive of investing in their console in the first place. 

I do actually agree that not having exclusives has killed off incentive for some people from buying an Xbox One.


BillyBong said:

There's more incentive for me to pick up a Switch.  

Great. Then buy a Switch, you are more than entitled to do so.
This is what competition is all about.

BillyBong said:

And then to add insult to injury is the fact that there's been a serious drought of MS AAA exclusives  and new IPs (0 xbox only since 2015) compared to your competitor.

I agree.

BillyBong said:

Halo defined OG xbox.  Gears defined the 360.  What will define the x1 when all is said and done?  I just must not see it.. the logical reason for anyone to move towards Xbox at this point and tha

Halo, Gears was on PC anyway, they were only timed exclusives.

There is plenty of incentive to pick up an Xbox One though, whether those incentives are applicable to you is well... Up to you.
Backwards Compatibility, Games with Gold, Price, Graphics, Sound... List goes on are all incentives to buy an Xbox One for some users.

smroadkill15 said:

Play anywhere is a great feature that I've used before when I purchased Cuphead for my laptop. It brings way more good than bad. The only "bad" I can think of is those with a gaming PC already capable of playing Gears 4, Forza, halo wars 2 and so forth. They are the minority.

Do you have evidence for that assertion?

Azzanation said:

So basically you know I am right yet you want to move the goal posts.

Oh. My. God. I am not shifting any goal posts. Just pointing out the logical fallacy in your reasoning, if you don't like it, stiff shit.


Azzanation said:

I can guarantee you that 100% of the world does not want to game on PC, weather you agree to that is up to you.

Point me to where I made such an assertion.

Azzanation said:

 There are already gamers in this thread that are Xbox only gamers, There is your proof.

If you think that no one wants to buy Xbox than you can join the others with this topic, I will not change your mind. However that doesn't mean I have to change my opinion. Prove me wrong and I will gladly. Which no one has, so I will stick to my guns.

And?

Azzanation said:

Just to prove you wrong with your 1st Statement. Xbox games are only on Win10 PCs and Xbox Consoles which labels out your argument with mobile, broadgames and Pen and Paper.


*Face palm* You don't get it. Please re-read my prior posts.

Azzanation said:

Xbox has sold over 30+ million consoles and the X has had a great launch. If no one wanted to buy Xboxes than that wouldn't still be the case with the X. Am I right here?

I own an Xbox One X.

Azzanation said:

Also - I don't care what platforms people game on, you can own all systems that doesn't mean much to this topic. Be negative that is fine, however my point is pretty straight forward and simple.

I am not being negative, just pointing out your logical fallacy, you are making this out to be something that it's not.


Azzanation said:

Quote:

---Why do I need to even repeat this a second time?
I am neither agreeing or disagreeing with you, the world isn't binary you know, you are allowed to be impartial.---

 

If you are going to post than stay on topic. If you want to hold a grudge on someone due to your last debate with them than I am not interested. If you have something that is interesting, important and all relates to this topic at hand than Ill repeat myself again

---Not all gamers want to game on PC--- (Do you agree or disagree with my Post)? 

If you are neither than I suggest you move on. This is a debate. if you have something personal to tell me than please Message me personally.

I don't hold grudges. I don't make things personal, I don't actually care enough for that, it's the Australian in me.

But if someone has a history of propagating fake information/news/logical fallacies/lies/cats. - Then you can bet I will call them out on it and possibly use that as a framework for my argument, it's only logical.

 



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Pemalite said:

don't hold grudges. I don't make things personal, I don't actually care enough for that, it's the Australian in me.

But if someone has a history of propagating fake information/news/logical fallacies/lies/cats. - Then you can bet I will call them out on it and possibly use that as a framework for my argument, it's only logical.

Am I lying? or am I stating the obvious? There's a big different between the two. If you don't like my posts than stiff shit right back at you.

So again if you want to join in on the debate than agree or disagree and give reasoning. If you are here to attack or downplay someone's comments than I suggest you keep that in the PM side of things. 

If you want to find those *propagating fake information/news/logical fallacies/lies/cats  than I suggest you go find them. What I have stated in this thread is none of the above. I am pointing out the obvious, hopefully you understand the difference. 

So stop shifting goal posts to try to make my post seem wrong because you know I am right. You have span this quite enough now. 

PS - I don't care what you or anyone else own.

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I think big problem for Microsoft is that its harder to control second party in quality and time they take to make games. Some games from second party studios looks little dated graphically and animations look poor. If you look Days Gone and State of Decay 2 reveal, more people were excited about SoD2 than Days gone, but after E3 2017 a lot of people thought that Days gone will crush SoD2, even though days gone animations dont look that good. Graphics and animations doesnt mean that the game will be good, but its first impression and first impressions are pretty important.



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RoboTin said:
I think big problem for Microsoft is that its harder to control second party in quality and time they take to make games. Some games from second party studios looks little dated graphically and animations look poor. If you look Days Gone and State of Decay 2 reveal, more people were excited about SoD2 than Days gone, but after E3 2017 a lot of people thought that Days gone will crush SoD2, even though days gone animations dont look that good. Graphics and animations doesnt mean that the game will be good, but its first impression and first impressions are pretty important.

Well its mainly that who wants to make a second party game for the worst performing console? So the only ones would be low tier games that MS can fund/buy. While for the top dog, im betting games like nier, persona, death stranding, bloodborne, nio exc. where thrown at the ps4 with sony having to do very little, if they even had to do anything at all. Not to mention the vast amount of japanese games that devs dint even ask or make agreement and just released a ps4 version cuz they knew it was pointless to even port it to the xbox. 



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