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Cerebralbore101 said:
smroadkill15 said:

This is why State of decay 2 will be great because A. It's fixing the issues the first game, adding co-op  B. Unlike most of those games, which start as steam early access, this is backed by a publisher C. Unlike most of those Survival games, State of decay got a sequel. 

So what kind of a metascore do you think it will get? I'm predicting 77-83 for State of Decay 2, Crackdown 3, and Sea of Thieves. 

I know I'm not the person who was asked the question, (sorry if I seem to be nosy) but: 84 for State of Decay 2; 80 from Crackdown 3; and 85 for Sea of Thieves.



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smroadkill15 said:
BillyBong said:

And how many do you think of those 30+ mil regretting their purchase now due to lack of  flow of  exclusives and creation of new compelling IPs?  Especially now, year 5, while seeing your competitors continue to release new ips and exlusives at a steady pace, And now also with new ways to play.  How many regret now knowing they don't need an Xbox to play Xbox exclusives? How many regret now knowing they bought a multiplat machine?  What was x1's last true exclusive Not on pc?  Halo 5?  Released back in 2015?  I'm just saying MS took away any incentive to buy an x1 Especially now with their narrative being play anywhere and "the best place to play multiplat", but only if you buy the 1x?  Dont see how that's hard to understand.  

I'm sure there are some whom have regretted it just like some who regretted buying any console purchase. Most people who have bought a  X1 within the last year or so don't care if a game like Gears 4 and Forza release on PC. If they cared that much, they wouldn't have bought the console in the first place. Btw, anyone buying the console now has more than enough exclusives to play between now and the next big MS exclusive game, SoT. 

I can tell you the incentives of buy an X1. Play anywhere, xbox game pass, BC of 360 and some original xbox, best multiplat versions now with X1X, of course the MS exclusives people enjoy. 

MS was lacking in exclusives in 2017, but up until then they did pretty good and 2018 is looking solid.  

I bought the thing in 2015 and I absolutely regret my purchase. I used it so little that I put it back in its box, waiting for whenever a worthwhile game comes along.
It is quite inconceivable for a console now in its fifth year to still have such a lackluster lineup. Both Sony and Nintendo have done a much better job this generation, and neither took this long



Cerebralbore101 said:
flashfire926 said:

State of decay got a 78, not a 72.

Viva pinata and rare replay were solid games.

And it doesn't make a damn difference if game "Atelier Lydie & Suelle: The Alchemists and the Mysterious Paintings" is on the list or not. Unless you're talking about solely japan. This would be the same as including voodoo Vince remaster on the Xbox list.

 

That niche Japanese game wont make any headlines, push any consoles or create any hype outside of japan. Effectively the equivalent  of putting voodoo Vince on the list.

 

Sorry, I accidentally got the XB1 Metascore for State of Decay. It's 78 like you said. Still nothing to get hyped over though. Games with wide appeal that don't get 80/100 aren't worth it IMO. For example, if a CoD game gets under 80 by metacritic you can be sure the game is terrible, because there are tons of unqualified know nothing reviewers on that site, that give it at high marks just for being a shooter. On the flip side there are tons of must own JRPGs out there with scores of 78 to 83, from metacritic, because those same unqualified reviewers write "I hate JRPGs the review". I mean if you make a racing game, any shmuck on the planet will understand it, even if he's never picked up a controller in his life. So if some random writer lands a review gig, for a newspaper or tech site, and suddenly has to review a racing or shooting game, chances are they will like it, even if they are a 52 year old non-gamer. Hand that same 52 year old guy a copy of Xenoblade and they'll pan it without even completing the main quest. 

Is Viva Pinata on steam? Because for some reason I thought it got a much lower score than that. Now I want to play it. xD

Rare replay is a remaster.

Honestly I still think it's a bit iffy to hype a game from a developer that hasn't had a good game in nine years. I mean, it's ok to look forward to a game like that. Just don't be like "ZOMG!!! THIS IS GONNA BE A TOTAL 9/10 GOTY CONTENDER!" 

I agree with your Atelier example, but what about Persona 5, Nier Automata, Ys VIII, etc.? 

what is lost on people is that the first state of decay was a $20 indie on xbox live arcade. It had a low budget, and cause of that, it was rough around the edges. The sequel is getting the full AAA treatment with the Microsoft money.

Yes, I'll give it to ya, rare hasn't made a "good" game in 9 years. That was partly because Xbox forced them to make three kinect games, resulting them in not making anything of their own during that time.

Nonetheless, people who have been playing the alpha of sea of thieves really seem to like it. So lets just wait and see on that one. A lot of people here are skeptics (like me), but a lot people are hopeful for rare's return to form.

Persona 5 and Nier count for sure.  On the second page of the thread, the list JRPGfan gives has 5-6 examples that wont be mentioned in this forum ever besides that list, telling you just how obscure that game is.

and about the metacritic part, its the sad truth. Some genres are recieved better than others, for better or for worse (its probably the opposite in japan, jrpgs are recieved way better than shooters there). Famitsu has only given two western games a perfect score ever, as opposed to a lot of japanese games. Its a different story for every region.



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smroadkill15 said:
BillyBong said:

And how many do you think of those 30+ mil regretting their purchase now due to lack of  flow of  exclusives and creation of new compelling IPs?  Especially now, year 5, while seeing your competitors continue to release new ips and exlusives at a steady pace, And now also with new ways to play.  How many regret now knowing they don't need an Xbox to play Xbox exclusives? How many regret now knowing they bought a multiplat machine?  What was x1's last true exclusive Not on pc?  Halo 5?  Released back in 2015?  I'm just saying MS took away any incentive to buy an x1 Especially now with their narrative being play anywhere and "the best place to play multiplat", but only if you buy the 1x?  Dont see how that's hard to understand.  

I'm sure there are some whom have regretted it just like some who regretted buying any console purchase. Most people who have bought a  X1 within the last year or so don't care if a game like Gears 4 and Forza release on PC. If they cared that much, they wouldn't have bought the console in the first place. Btw, anyone buying the console now has more than enough exclusives to play between now and the next big MS exclusive game, SoT. 

I can tell you the incentives of buy an X1. Play anywhere, xbox game pass, BC of 360 and some original xbox, best multiplat versions now with X1X, of course the MS exclusives people enjoy. 

MS was lacking in exclusives in 2017, but up until then they did pretty good and 2018 is looking solid.  

The thing though is MS's narrative has constantly changed since the beginning of this current gen and still continues to change while they try and find their own identity.  It wasn't until just September 2016 that Play Anywhere launched.  How do you think most of those that bought the one prior felt about that?  Had Play Anywhere launched from the get-go, do you think Xbox would of sold much consoles?  If consumers knew from the start all they needed was a decent gaming PC and live account that they could play most xbox exclusives, would xbox of sold as well as it did to start off? 

And yes,  anyone buying the console for the past year or so wouldnt care about x1 exclusives on pc now because that's the current narrative with their exclusives.  Just like anyone who stays with the og x1 or slim now know they'll have the inferior of all multiplats this gen.  It's this majority that are getting the shaft.. weakest system, inferior multiplats, and loss of exclusives.  If I remember, 1x is approximately 1mil only of the 30+ mil on OG and slim.   And now, these 30+ mil gamers officially own nothing more than a  multiplat console. 

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JRPGfan said:
Tmfwang said:
Expecting another cancelation this January, my money is on Crackdown 3.

it wont be cancelled but it looks really mediocre... Id be surprised if it scores higher than a 70 on metacritic.

Its def. not a game thats looking to wow people in anyway shape or form.

Yah that's how I see it too. Too late to cancel it but the game really looked bad :(
I think it will still be a fun game to play in general but if they stick (and they probably will) with the graphics they showed, this game is not going to be a wow for sure



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Cerebralbore101 said:
smroadkill15 said:

This is why State of decay 2 will be great because A. It's fixing the issues the first game, adding co-op  B. Unlike most of those games, which start as steam early access, this is backed by a publisher C. Unlike most of those Survival games, State of decay got a sequel. 

So what kind of a metascore do you think it will get? I'm predicting 77-83 for State of Decay 2, Crackdown 3, and Sea of Thieves. 

Roughly around those scores. If Crackdown 3 has the fully destructible environment like promised, I predict 81. State of Decay 2  82, and  Sea of Thieves 85. All of these are open-world so it comes down to how polished they are at launch. 



Tulipanzo said:
smroadkill15 said:

I'm sure there are some whom have regretted it just like some who regretted buying any console purchase. Most people who have bought a  X1 within the last year or so don't care if a game like Gears 4 and Forza release on PC. If they cared that much, they wouldn't have bought the console in the first place. Btw, anyone buying the console now has more than enough exclusives to play between now and the next big MS exclusive game, SoT. 

I can tell you the incentives of buy an X1. Play anywhere, xbox game pass, BC of 360 and some original xbox, best multiplat versions now with X1X, of course the MS exclusives people enjoy. 

MS was lacking in exclusives in 2017, but up until then they did pretty good and 2018 is looking solid.  

I bought the thing in 2015 and I absolutely regret my purchase. I used it so little that I put it back in its box, waiting for whenever a worthwhile game comes along.
It is quite inconceivable for a console now in its fifth year to still have such a lackluster lineup. Both Sony and Nintendo have done a much better job this generation, and neither took this long

What games have you played for it? 



Azzanation said:

Your issue right there is how you expanded the topic to an outer territory. Mobiles, Board Games and other activities.

The Subject is about PC and Console. Basically what others are saying in here is "Why buy an Xbox when you can buy a PC" and my answer is simple and true "Not all gamers want to game on PC" that means there are many gamers out there who enjoy the console simplicity and will buy an Xbox over a PC. Other markets don't factor in here because someone that wants to play Xbox games wont be able to on other methods unless its a PC or an Xbox. 

Am I wrong here?

Or are you going to agree with the others and say all gamers don't want to game on Xbox, they all want PCs instead?

 

So... Basically, you don't want to include anything that makes your statement erroneous? Got it.

Azzanation said:

Or are you going to agree with the others and say all gamers don't want to game on Xbox, they all want PCs instead?

Why do I need to even repeat this a second time?
I am neither agreeing or disagreeing with you, the world isn't binary you know, you are allowed to be impartial.

BillyBong said:

And how many do you think of those 30+ mil regretting their purchase now due to lack of  flow of  exclusives and creation of new compelling IPs? 

It is impossible to provide evidence that either proves/disproves your statement, so it's useless.

BillyBong said:

How many regret now knowing they don't need an Xbox to play Xbox exclusives?

I had the Xbox One since launch. Also an Xbox One X owner since launch.
I haven't had a reason to play them in a few years as I do own a PC... But I am not representative of everyone.

And ironically, I will likely buy the next Xbox. And because I have first hand experience with these devices... I can criticize them to my hearts content, money where my mouth is and all that.

BillyBong said:

How many regret now knowing they bought a multiplat machine?

Again. Impossible to quantify that with any numbers, we only have anecdotal accounts to go by, making such speculation useless.

BillyBong said:

What was x1's last true exclusive Not on pc?  Halo 5?  Released back in 2015?  how many felt mislead by MS this far in on this gen cycle with MS's lack of focus on games?  Is it not the games and exclusives that determine what console you move forward with when purchasing a new console, Especially when moving to next gen?  I'm just saying MS took away any incentive to buy an x1 Especially now with their narrative being play anywhere and "the best place to play multiplat", but only if you buy the 1x?  Dont see how that's hard to understand.  


You are pretty much recycling the same argument here.

However, 30+ million gamers found some sort of incentive to buy an Xbox One, that's the facts, having a few people being regretful of their purchase decision doesn't change that fact.

Cerebralbore101 said:

I didn't mean to say that their games are trash. They were still a competent studio back in 2009. Hell, they just might surprise me and make Sea of Thieves a great game. But to say that Sea of Thieves is definitely going to be a 9/10 game, is like saying the next Warriors game is going to be a 9/10. Microsoft has hyped both Crackdown and SoT up as these premium AAA offerings, because its all they have. 

I completely agree. I am holding out on Sea of Thieves to see if she is a decent title or not.
RARE are no longer a studio that I automagically pre-order all their games anymore, Bioware has fallen into that same basket.

Taking a wait and see approach is the safest and best bet, it could be micro-transaction infested for all we know.



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BillyBong said:
smroadkill15 said:

I'm sure there are some whom have regretted it just like some who regretted buying any console purchase. Most people who have bought a  X1 within the last year or so don't care if a game like Gears 4 and Forza release on PC. If they cared that much, they wouldn't have bought the console in the first place. Btw, anyone buying the console now has more than enough exclusives to play between now and the next big MS exclusive game, SoT. 

I can tell you the incentives of buy an X1. Play anywhere, xbox game pass, BC of 360 and some original xbox, best multiplat versions now with X1X, of course the MS exclusives people enjoy. 

MS was lacking in exclusives in 2017, but up until then they did pretty good and 2018 is looking solid.  

The thing though is MS's narrative has constantly changed since the beginning of this current gen and still continues to change while they try and find their own identity.  It wasn't until just September 2016 that Play Anywhere launched.  How do you think most of those that bought the one prior felt about that?  Had Play Anywhere launched from the get-go, do you think Xbox would of sold much consoles?  If consumers knew from the start all they needed was a decent gaming PC and live account that they could play most xbox exclusives, would xbox of sold as well as it did to start off? 

And yes,  anyone buying the console for the past year or so wouldnt care about x1 exclusives on pc now because that's the current narrative with their exclusives.  Just like anyone who stays with the og x1 or slim now know they'll have the inferior of all multiplats this gen.  It's this majority that are getting the shaft.. weakest system, inferior multiplats, and loss of exclusives.  If I remember, 1x is approximately 1mil only of the 30+ mil on OG and slim.   And now, these 30+ mil gamers officially own nothing more than a  multiplat console. 

The only ones who don't like Play Anywhere are those who use exclusives as a fuel in the console war. Most people don't care like myself as long as I get to play the same games. Play anywhere is a great feature that I've used before when I purchased Cuphead for my laptop. It brings way more good than bad. The only "bad" I can think of is those with a gaming PC already capable of playing Gears 4, Forza, halo wars 2 and so forth. They are the minority. 

Nobody with the base X1 is getting shafted. It's called having options. I now have the option to upgrade to the X1 and be able to play all the same games I have or I can stick with what I got and still be able to play all the same games. It's not like they are ignoring the system. They are still releasing all the same games for both consoles. Only way we get shafted is if they stop releasing games for the base x1. 



BillyBong said:
smroadkill15 said:

I'm sure there are some whom have regretted it just like some who regretted buying any console purchase. Most people who have bought a  X1 within the last year or so don't care if a game like Gears 4 and Forza release on PC. If they cared that much, they wouldn't have bought the console in the first place. Btw, anyone buying the console now has more than enough exclusives to play between now and the next big MS exclusive game, SoT. 

I can tell you the incentives of buy an X1. Play anywhere, xbox game pass, BC of 360 and some original xbox, best multiplat versions now with X1X, of course the MS exclusives people enjoy. 

MS was lacking in exclusives in 2017, but up until then they did pretty good and 2018 is looking solid.  

The thing though is MS's narrative has constantly changed since the beginning of this current gen and still continues to change while they try and find their own identity.  It wasn't until just September 2016 that Play Anywhere launched.  How do you think most of those that bought the one prior felt about that?  Had Play Anywhere launched from the get-go, do you think Xbox would of sold much consoles?  If consumers knew from the start all they needed was a decent gaming PC and live account that they could play most xbox exclusives, would xbox of sold as well as it did to start off? 

And yes,  anyone buying the console for the past year or so wouldnt care about x1 exclusives on pc now because that's the current narrative with their exclusives.  Just like anyone who stays with the og x1 or slim now know they'll have the inferior of all multiplats this gen.  It's this majority that are getting the shaft.. weakest system, inferior multiplats, and loss of exclusives.  If I remember, 1x is approximately 1mil only of the 30+ mil on OG and slim.   And now, these 30+ mil gamers officially own nothing more than a  multiplat console. 

You need to remember that the majority of buyers aren't hardcore gamers. They just buy their box to play cod/fifa/sports game/halo/battlefield and call it a day.

They don't have the time to fiddle around with pc parts and such, nor do they care about play anywhere.



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