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Best MCU sub-series?

Iron Man 1 3.03%
 
Thor 1 3.03%
 
Captain America 12 36.36%
 
The Avengers 9 27.27%
 
Guardians of the Galaxy 10 30.30%
 
Total:33
The_Liquid_Laser said:
AnmolRed said:
Awesome
Captain America:Civil War
Captain America:The first Avenger
Captain America:The Winter Soldier
Avengers
Avengers:Age of Ultron
Iron Man
Iron Man 3

Great
Guardians of the Galaxy

Good
Black Panther

Mediocre
Incredible Hulk
Ant Man
Iron Man 2

Bad
Thor
Thor:The Dark World


P.S Captain america isnt even close to my favourite but looks like I love all his movies lol.

That's kind of how I feel.  I never cared for Captain America at all whenever I saw him in the comic books.  However the Cap movies are my top 3 MCU movies as well.  I do have to say though, that Chris Evans has given me a much great appreciation of Cap than I had before.

Agreed. I definitely love Cap because of Evans and I think him walking away from the MCU will be more devastating than RDJ. I always liked the idea of Captain America. But Evans has become the character for me



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I went into Spider-Man Homecoming not knowing what to expect.

I was pretty burnt out on Spidey after the Amazing Spider-Man series, particularly the awful second installment. I was also wary this was going to be Iron Man 4, not Spider-Man 1.

I came out of the theater with a big smile on my face. Homecoming quickly became one of my favorite MCU movies, thanks to the charisma of Tom Holland, the funny script, and the menacing performance by Keaton.

See you on the flip side...



Veknoid_Outcast said:

I went into Spider-Man Homecoming not knowing what to expect.

I was pretty burnt out on Spidey after the Amazing Spider-Man series, particularly the awful second installment. I was also wary this was going to be Iron Man 4, not Spider-Man 1.

I came out of the theater with a big smile on my face. Homecoming quickly became one of my favorite MCU movies, thanks to the charisma of Tom Holland, the funny script, and the menacing performance by Keaton.

See you on the flip side...

You and I have VERY similar ideas about Spider-Man. 



I actually have a review of Spider-Man: Homecoming I wrote last year, so here it is:

After two mediocre attempts at bringing the superhero Spider-Man to the big screen in 2012 and 2014, Sony wisely partnered with Marvel Studios to create a Spidey adventure that takes place in the Marvel Cinematic Universe (MCU). The reassuring, steady fingerprints of Marvel producer Kevin Feige are all over this latest incarnation of Spider-Man, the third in 15 years. Like the best Marvel movies, Homecoming is smart, well-paced, and funny, with warm, appealing characters that transcend ever so slightly the archetypes typical of the genre.

Instead of belaboring Peter Parker's transformation from geeky high schooler to web-slinging Spider-Man, director Jon Watts and a small army of screenwriters wisely introduce Peter to the audience after he's discovered his powers, adopted his superhuman persona, and lost his uncle to violence. We see Peter, played perfectly by Tom Holland, as eager to please his friends and family. This includes Tony Stark, AKA Iron Man, who's shown a fatherly interest in Peter and who bestows upon him his signature Spider-themed suit. Peter's attempts to live up to the expectations of Tony and his aunt May — Marisa Tomei in a quirky, effective performance — form the emotional linchpin of Homecoming.

The cast in Homecoming is uniformly great. Holland is a revelation. He captures Peter's youthful earnestness flawlessly. Physically, he looks the part. Emotionally, he shows the lack of forethought and patience representative of the teenage mind. Robert Downey, Jr, reprising his decade-long stint as Iron Man, makes a strong impression in a handful of scenes, chiding Peter for his immaturity and acts of daring while simultaneously being complicit in them. Also impressive is Michael Keaton as Adrian Toomes, the movie's villain, who bucks an ongoing trend in the MCU.

Despite the overwhelming success of the MCU, it suffers from a glaring weakness: uninteresting villains. Apart from Loki, Thor's endlessly jealous and scheming brother, there have been no stand-out antagonists. The most recent Captain America movie, Civil War, gave up entirely on crafting an interesting and enduring villain and settled on an internal conflict among its heroes. Homecoming breaks this pattern, introducing in Keaton's Toomes a compelling, menacing — even sympathetic — enemy with clear motivation.

The effectiveness of Toomes is a collaboration between Keaton, who plays his character as a pragmatic businessman who can turn murderous when his operation is threatened, and a screenplay that's refreshingly small in scale. Nothing, including Toomes, is apocalyptic in Homecoming. There's no alien invasion, no frothing villain out for revenge on humanity. It's the tale of a teenage superhero fighting arms dealers in Queens.

Thus, Homecoming has time to focus on more modest pursuits. We see Peter interact with his friends, his family, and his mentors. We watch as he overextends himself, disobeys orders, and, in general, displays a young man's belief in invulnerability. While the action scenes in Homecoming are engaging and visually interesting, they pale in comparison to the scenes with Peter sans mask. The same holds true for Toomes and his alter ego Vulture. The best scene in the movie isn't the climactic showdown of costumed characters; it’s the quiet, suspenseful scene minutes earlier where overwhelmed hero and desperate villain exchange secrets and threats.

That description of darkness is a bit misleading, however. Although Homecoming dips its webbed toes into despair on occasion, it spends much more time having fun and cracking jokes. In fact, one could easily classify this newest Spider-Man adventure as a comedy. The movie is consistently hilarious, thanks to smart, snappy writing and a handful of witty supporting actors, including Donald Glover, Hannibal Burress, and Martin Starr. The big exception is Jacob Batalon as Ned, Peter's best friend and confidant. His brand of humor is more broad and less biting, and relies too heavily on star-struck astonishment at his best buddy's gifts.

Another small flaw in the movie is the romantic sub-plot between Peter and Liz (Laura Harrier). Liz, who looks like a runway model, is far out of Peter's league. Because of that, and a lack of chemistry between Holland and Harrier, the romance fizzles. It's the weakest, least convincing part of Homecoming, although it does serve the plot well in the movie's final act.

Some broad humor and a forgettable romance don't do much to weigh down Homecoming, which stands as a worthy addition to the MCU and the best Spider-Man movie since Sam Raimi's Spider-Man 2. Holland is pitch-perfect as Peter Parker/Spider-Man, Keaton achieves a grounded and relatable villain, and the supporting cast provides plenty of humor and levity. Thanks to a tightly-written script and some judicious editing, the entire production moves smoothly and snappily from beginning to end. Unlike many other superhero movies, it refuses to be burdened by backstory and overextended by world-building. It's a project that takes to heart the label "friendly neighborhood Spider-Man."

7/10

Updated rankings:

OUTSTANDING
1) Captain America: Civil War

GREAT
2) Captain America: The Winter Soldier
3) Iron Man

GOOD
4) Guardians of the Galaxy
5) The Avengers
6) Spider-Man: Homecoming
7) Iron Man 3

DECENT
8) Black Panther
9) Captain America
10) The Incredible Hulk
11) Avengers: Age of Ultron
12) Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2

MEDIOCRE
13) Doctor Strange
14) Ant-Man
15) Iron Man 2

POOR
16) Thor
17) Thor: The Dark World



Scores updated.



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Might as well mark me down for a 9/10 on Thor: Ragnarok. I haven't re-watched it within the last week or so, but I did watch it at the end of march when I had guests over and I've seen it about a half dozen times since it came out last November.

I know I love the humour, I know I love the shocking depth and maturity, I know I love Hela, I know I like pretty much everything about it and feel it's easily the best Thor movie and one of the best in the MCU. I will watch it again (probably sometime this week), but I'm reasonably certain I won't be changing my score from 9/10. I just love the movie too much and consider it an equal to Guardians of the Galaxy 1 and 2.

Hilariously, Guardians 2 and Ragnarok are both examples of movies that are overtly jokey yet have a strong emotional core that resonates with me. I like it when a movie can make you laugh and make you feel in equal measure. It's important to remember both sides of that spectrum, and unlike most people I don't think that levity takes away from emotional weight.

Thor: Ragnarok - 9/10



Veknoid_Outcast said: 

Another small flaw in the movie is the romantic sub-plot between Peter and Liz (Laura Harrier). Liz, who looks like a runway model, is far out of Peter's league. Because of that, and a lack of chemistry between Holland and Harrier, the romance fizzles. It's the weakest, least convincing part of Homecoming, although it does serve the plot well in the movie's final act.

There is one thing about Homecoming that annoys me. And it's Peter's friends/the quiz social group.

Flash Thompson is a jock... who's on the quiz team? Err what? Flash isn't the cool bullying jock. He's a nerd.

Liz and co find Peter outside of his room and invites him to the pool, Peter doesn't go because of Spider-man reasons, they don't invite Ned. Not once do they go and find Peter and Ned.

The morning after, Peter doesn't show up to the 'tour' they are going on or the quiz, the teacher isn't concerned.

"My friends call me MJ". Good for you but where is Mary Jane Watson? Because she's not in this film.

Edit: Oh and there has not been a Spider-man film yet where Peter Parker's identify as Spider-man has been kept a secret. Hardly anyone ever knows Peter is Spider-man in the comics and those that do know, he either told or had to know, very few villain find out and Aunt May only like 15 years ago. Some of the 'conversations' he and Ned have during school stuff would have been heard by other students.



Hmm, pie.

The Fury said:
Veknoid_Outcast said: 

Another small flaw in the movie is the romantic sub-plot between Peter and Liz (Laura Harrier). Liz, who looks like a runway model, is far out of Peter's league. Because of that, and a lack of chemistry between Holland and Harrier, the romance fizzles. It's the weakest, least convincing part of Homecoming, although it does serve the plot well in the movie's final act.

There is one thing about Homecoming that annoys me. And it's Peter's friends/the quiz social group.

Flash Thompson is a jock... who's on the quiz team? Err what? Flash isn't the cool bullying jock. He's a nerd.

Liz and co find Peter outside of his room and invites him to the pool, Peter doesn't go because of Spider-man reasons, they don't invite Ned. Not once do they go and find Peter and Ned.

The morning after, Peter doesn't show up to the 'tour' they are going on or the quiz, the teacher isn't concerned.

"My friends call me MJ". Good for you but where is Mary Jane Watson? Because she's not in this film.

Edit: Oh and there has not been a Spider-man film yet where Peter Parker's identify as Spider-man has been kept a secret. Hardly anyone ever knows Peter is Spider-man in the comics and those that do know, he either told or had to know, very few villain find out and Aunt May only like 15 years ago. Some of the 'conversations' he and Ned have during school stuff would have been heard by other students.

that is the nature of Adaptation, some things are going to change when making a different version of the same thing. 

Flash not being a jock but being an asshole smart guy makes perfect sense in a modern world. 

Peter is nerdy and awkward, but he's a good looking kid so it'd make sense that Liz might like him. 

Aunt May finding out works, keeping a secret identity is HARD in the modern world (though it's dumb that he didn't see her there) 

Peter is a kid, kids like to dream; even if he straight up said in front of his class "I'm spiderman", nobody would believe him without a demonstration. Hell, he can't even get people to believe he's MET Tony Stark, let alone that he himself is Spiderman. Im sure others and the teachers heard ned going on about it but didn't pay it much mind. 

I used to have the same complaints that you have until I put some thought into it. :P



Ok, Guardians 2 time. I know I’m behind. I was at Disney World this weekend so I regret nothing. Oddly more Star Wars stuff than Avengers stuff. Although you still had random Black Panther action figures on sale at Animal Kingdom. Go figure. Anyway, I liked this when I first saw it. If you’re a fan of the first, this is more of the same and I was happy that it told a personal story over being another link in the Infinity Stone fence. We’ll see if it holds up. See you on the other side!



The Fury said:
Veknoid_Outcast said: 

Another small flaw in the movie is the romantic sub-plot between Peter and Liz (Laura Harrier). Liz, who looks like a runway model, is far out of Peter's league. Because of that, and a lack of chemistry between Holland and Harrier, the romance fizzles. It's the weakest, least convincing part of Homecoming, although it does serve the plot well in the movie's final act.

There is one thing about Homecoming that annoys me. And it's Peter's friends/the quiz social group.

Flash Thompson is a jock... who's on the quiz team? Err what? Flash isn't the cool bullying jock. He's a nerd.

Liz and co find Peter outside of his room and invites him to the pool, Peter doesn't go because of Spider-man reasons, they don't invite Ned. Not once do they go and find Peter and Ned.

The morning after, Peter doesn't show up to the 'tour' they are going on or the quiz, the teacher isn't concerned.

"My friends call me MJ". Good for you but where is Mary Jane Watson? Because she's not in this film.

Edit: Oh and there has not been a Spider-man film yet where Peter Parker's identify as Spider-man has been kept a secret. Hardly anyone ever knows Peter is Spider-man in the comics and those that do know, he either told or had to know, very few villain find out and Aunt May only like 15 years ago. Some of the 'conversations' he and Ned have during school stuff would have been heard by other students.

I’ll dive more into this when I watch and review the film, but I also had issues with the other kids around Peter. None of them felt particularly real. Spider-Man is probably the superhero I have read the most source material for (other than Batman) and so none of the on screen incarnations feel particularly “right” to me. I did love that this kept him in high school as he was a teenager when he started. And it seems they have no rush to have him graduate any time soon. Anyway, more later