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Best MCU sub-series?

Iron Man 1 3.03%
 
Thor 1 3.03%
 
Captain America 12 36.36%
 
The Avengers 9 27.27%
 
Guardians of the Galaxy 10 30.30%
 
Total:33
The_Liquid_Laser on 12 March 2018
The Fury said:
The_Liquid_Laser said: 

Minuses:

Ronin is kind of a dumb villain.  Do we even find out why he wants to destroy Xandar?  If so, I missed it.

Ronan. Yes, The Kree Empire and Xander were once at war. He was extremeist basically presumably not accepting the war had ended with a 'peaceful' resolve. Drastic different to comics version.

I'd say this if the first film in the MCU that's character really did differ from their movie counterparts the most.

Sadly X-men have been doing this for years.

We know Ronin is against the peace treaty, but that is not really an explanation.  He's against the peace treaty, because he wants to destroy Xandar.  But why?  Why does he want to destroy Xandar so much?  I want there to be more to it than he's generically bad, or he's an extremist or whatever.  If he's an extremist, then why is he an extremist?


mZuzek said:
Veknoid_Outcast said:
I wonder if Guardians would have been even better and more nimble had it not been attached to the whole Infinity Stones saga.

...you wonder?

I actually like that this is so closely tied with the Infinity Stones.  One thing that disappointed me about the second GotG is that there were no Infinity Stones in it.



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The_Liquid_Laser on 12 March 2018
mZuzek said:
The_Liquid_Laser said:

I actually like that this is so closely tied with the Infinity Stones.  One thing that disappointed me about the second GotG is that there were no Infinity Stones in it.

Well there's exactly my point. It's directed at Vek because he's one of many Vol. 2 haters.

Oh, I see.   That is part of the problem with text.  When you typed "you wonder", I was emphasizing "wonder" when you were emphasizing "you".

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Veknoid_Outcast on 12 March 2018
The_Liquid_Laser said:
mZuzek said:

Well there's exactly my point. It's directed at Vek because he's one of many Vol. 2 haters.

Oh, I see.   That is part of the problem with text.  When you typed "you wonder", I was emphasizing "wonder" when you were emphasizing "you".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0zvGVYva8M

 



Veknoid_Outcast on 12 March 2018
Doc755 said:
“You said if yourself, bitch. We’re the Guardians of the Galaxy.” (They said the title!)

Guardians stills feels fresh and entertaining even after multiple viewings. The plot is a retread of what we’ve seen before but the packaging is new and exciting. Taking characters not as well known and moving the action off Earth and into the limitless possibilities of space gives the writers/director a freer hand to break the mold a bit (while still being saddled with laying the groundwork of the overarching Infinity Stones plot).

A look at the opening sequence really serves as a microcosm for the film. It starts with an epic, Raiders of the Lost Ark vibe-like search for a valuable item before launching into the funky and funny credits sequence set to “Come and Get Your Love.” The film had me as Star-Lord kicked some Orlonis to the beat and even used one as a microphone. Not really sure how else to say that the film just felt fun. You wanted to spend time with the characters and get to know them. The bickering banter, the awesome (mix) soundtrack and the characterizations all came together for a diverting two hours that never feels like it lags. Yes, you start to notice some of the plot holes on subsequent viewings but that never detracts from the enjoyment of the moment.

Franchise-wise, we get our third (official) Infinity Stone and some backstory on all of them. Coming at the exact midway point of the entire saga (to Infinity War anyway), it makes sense we finally get some history on these mcguffins. I guess it’s a fair trade off. The plot would be sorely lacking if you didn’t enjoy the characters and their arcs as much as you do. Sadly, we still get some seriously under-utilized villains. Ronan barely is given any motivation other than to destroy Xandar. Nebula (who is given a lot more in the sequel) is little more than the embittered sister. Michael Rooker as Yondu is the most memorable and he’s not really a true villain.

Overall, the film is successful at establishing a team, developing each of the individual characters, and providing an enjoyable romp that never feels forced. Compare this with Suicide Squad which is essentially the same concept. When Drax says “No one talks to my friends like that” right AFTER calling Gamora a whore, it feels earned. All these lost souls were looking for connections and family and found it amongst each other. It makes Groot’s sacrifice all the more heartbreaking because even though they’ve only known each other a few days(?) he was willing to sacrifice himself for all of them. Another nice moment is when Drax comforts Rocket at the end of the film. Forty minutes ago, Rocket was ready to shoot Drax in the face multiple times. As the Guardians join hands to help Star-Lord contain the power of the Infinity Stone, it’s the visual embodiment of the connection they have forged over the film. They are stronger together and can accomplish the impossible. They’re willing to put their lives on the line for one another. They’re the Guardians of the Galaxy. Side note: I had a huge smile on my face when they appeared at the end of the Infinity War trailer. It’ll be fun to seem them interact with the Avengers.

I’m going to give Guardians of the Galaxy a 7/10. A run of the mill plot for Marvel and weak villains can’t bring down what is truly a story of family, sacrifice and loyalty. Watching it this time around, I’m not sure I’d buy that they all would put their lives on the line so quickly after meeting each other but it doesn’t hurt the overall flow of the film. Seeing the characters as “losers” as Star-Lord puts it more in context that they would seek out others to make up for those lost connections. Combine that heartfelt story with great action (the scuffle on Xandar and the prison escape being highlights) and a smashing soundtrack and you have a recipe for a a really good film.

Current Rankings:
1) Captain America: The Winter Soldier
2) Iron Man
3) The Avengers
4) Guardians of the Galaxy
5) The Incredible Hulk
6) Black Panther
7) Iron Man 3
8) Captain America: The First Avenger
9) Thor: The Dark World
10) Thor
11) Iron Man 2

It's for sure a MacGuffin, but I appreciate the way Gunn acknowledges the plot device: "So this orb has a real shiny blue suitcase/Ark of the Covenant/Maltese Falcon sort of vibe, what is it?"

The entire movie is subversive in small, clever ways. Gamora yawning during the slow-mo hero shot. Peter strutting his stuff through the ruined facility. Gunn found a nice middle ground between his own quirkiness and the narrative demands of the studio.



Doc755 on 12 March 2018
Veknoid_Outcast said:
Doc755 said:
“You said if yourself, bitch. We’re the Guardians of the Galaxy.” (They said the title!)

Guardians stills feels fresh and entertaining even after multiple viewings. The plot is a retread of what we’ve seen before but the packaging is new and exciting. Taking characters not as well known and moving the action off Earth and into the limitless possibilities of space gives the writers/director a freer hand to break the mold a bit (while still being saddled with laying the groundwork of the overarching Infinity Stones plot).

A look at the opening sequence really serves as a microcosm for the film. It starts with an epic, Raiders of the Lost Ark vibe-like search for a valuable item before launching into the funky and funny credits sequence set to “Come and Get Your Love.” The film had me as Star-Lord kicked some Orlonis to the beat and even used one as a microphone. Not really sure how else to say that the film just felt fun. You wanted to spend time with the characters and get to know them. The bickering banter, the awesome (mix) soundtrack and the characterizations all came together for a diverting two hours that never feels like it lags. Yes, you start to notice some of the plot holes on subsequent viewings but that never detracts from the enjoyment of the moment.

Franchise-wise, we get our third (official) Infinity Stone and some backstory on all of them. Coming at the exact midway point of the entire saga (to Infinity War anyway), it makes sense we finally get some history on these mcguffins. I guess it’s a fair trade off. The plot would be sorely lacking if you didn’t enjoy the characters and their arcs as much as you do. Sadly, we still get some seriously under-utilized villains. Ronan barely is given any motivation other than to destroy Xandar. Nebula (who is given a lot more in the sequel) is little more than the embittered sister. Michael Rooker as Yondu is the most memorable and he’s not really a true villain.

Overall, the film is successful at establishing a team, developing each of the individual characters, and providing an enjoyable romp that never feels forced. Compare this with Suicide Squad which is essentially the same concept. When Drax says “No one talks to my friends like that” right AFTER calling Gamora a whore, it feels earned. All these lost souls were looking for connections and family and found it amongst each other. It makes Groot’s sacrifice all the more heartbreaking because even though they’ve only known each other a few days(?) he was willing to sacrifice himself for all of them. Another nice moment is when Drax comforts Rocket at the end of the film. Forty minutes ago, Rocket was ready to shoot Drax in the face multiple times. As the Guardians join hands to help Star-Lord contain the power of the Infinity Stone, it’s the visual embodiment of the connection they have forged over the film. They are stronger together and can accomplish the impossible. They’re willing to put their lives on the line for one another. They’re the Guardians of the Galaxy. Side note: I had a huge smile on my face when they appeared at the end of the Infinity War trailer. It’ll be fun to seem them interact with the Avengers.

I’m going to give Guardians of the Galaxy a 7/10. A run of the mill plot for Marvel and weak villains can’t bring down what is truly a story of family, sacrifice and loyalty. Watching it this time around, I’m not sure I’d buy that they all would put their lives on the line so quickly after meeting each other but it doesn’t hurt the overall flow of the film. Seeing the characters as “losers” as Star-Lord puts it more in context that they would seek out others to make up for those lost connections. Combine that heartfelt story with great action (the scuffle on Xandar and the prison escape being highlights) and a smashing soundtrack and you have a recipe for a a really good film.

Current Rankings:
1) Captain America: The Winter Soldier
2) Iron Man
3) The Avengers
4) Guardians of the Galaxy
5) The Incredible Hulk
6) Black Panther
7) Iron Man 3
8) Captain America: The First Avenger
9) Thor: The Dark World
10) Thor
11) Iron Man 2

It's for sure a MacGuffin, but I appreciate the way Gunn acknowledges the plot device: "So this orb has a real shiny blue suitcase/Ark of the Covenant/Maltese Falcon sort of vibe, what is it?"

The entire movie is subversive in small, clever ways. Gamora yawning during the slow-mo hero shot. Peter strutting his stuff through the ruined facility. Gunn found a nice middle ground between his own quirkiness and the narrative demands of the studio.

Oh I missed that. I always catch Rocket pulling at the crotch of his jumpsuit. 😂



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Veknoid_Outcast on 13 March 2018
mZuzek said:

Poll is lacking some options, huh? Unless you're planning to do another one for Vol. 2, of course.

Anyways, I finally began to catch up, and well, I... almost regret it already.

I just saw Thor: The Dark World and I am very surprised. I had this one down as a 5/10, and I really didn't want to deviate from that score because I don't think I'm giving it to any other movie here, but holy mother of god this one was much worse than I remembered (not that they were very fond memories to begin with).

I don't really wanna say much. This movie is about as bland and lifeless as it can get, besides being a jumbled mess of scenes slapped together for no purpose other than to keep the ridiculously in-credible plot going on. That's what it is, really. Just a lot of shit happening all the time, none of it makes any sense, and your only options are to either quit watching it or accept that you will lose a lot of brain cells.

...yeah, it was an absolute snorefest. Look, I'll give it 2 points for that half-second shot of Thor and the Dark Elf dude (forgot his name already, unbelievable!) falling outside an office's window and screaming - that was probably the only entertaining thing in the whole movie, for real - and another 1 point for that post-credits scene involving characters from a much better film.

So that's it, 3/10. Can't give it any higher when I only enjoyed half a second, can I?

Well at least next up will be Winter Soldier, so I can be a little relieved now. I don't think I'm gonna get the chance to see Black Panther in theaters by the way.

Edit: oh yeah and the dude's called Malakith (I guess that's how you type it?). I remembered it yay!

It's all uphill from here! So that's something  



The Fury on 13 March 2018

Poll question is broken. It doesn't seem to have Vance Astrovik listed. The true inheritor of the shield.



Hmm, pie.

Doc755 on 13 March 2018
The Fury said:

Poll question is broken. It doesn't seem to have Vance Astrovik listed. The true inheritor of the shield.

I think the idea was to pick one of the Guardians in the film although if we’re just throwing up characters, I want to see more of Cosmo the Spacedog



Veknoid_Outcast on 13 March 2018
Doc755 said:
The Fury said:

Poll question is broken. It doesn't seem to have Vance Astrovik listed. The true inheritor of the shield.

I think the idea was to pick one of the Guardians in the film although if we’re just throwing up characters, I want to see more of Cosmo the Spacedog

I want more Rhomann Dey. John C. Reilly low-key stealing the movie.



Nymeria on 13 March 2018

Guardians of the Galaxy - 9/10

This movie is a fun 1980s type film like Back to the Future updated to today with all the modern effects. I just love the characters and adventure with the tone and pacing that never lose me. I even like the villain as a juxtaposition of serious contrast the misfits of the Guardians. Proof that the characters don't have to be big or known to make successful adaptation.

Avengers 2 - 6/10

This really felt like a director fighting a studio with the odd pacing and editing at times. That said, the biggest flaw I saw was Ultron. He felt built up as the true threat the Avengers would struggle with, and in the end he was tepid and unengaging from his voice and dialog I never felt fear or concern. A misstep that I think Marvel consider with more recent offerings.