Barkley said:
I don't have a massive hatred for that side-plot that most do, it wasn't good but it wasn't so insanely bad I wanted to die. I also didn't find the humour to be annoying. But several points that have large impacts on the future of the series were terribly handled.
The movie wasn't bad if you ignore some plot holes, the bigger issue is the mishandling of established stories and characters, including characters introduced in the force awakens. This is what can happen when a movie trilogy isn't planned out before hand and the second entry is given to an entirely different writer/director. Hell they had to change TFA's ending slightly because Rian Johnson wanted to do something different with Luke that didn't fit with it.
It doesnt feel planned, it feels like someone just takes over and makes it up as they go along, which isn't how something planned as a trilogy from the get go should happen.
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The problem people had with the side plot was not that it was so much horrible, but that it was straight out of a generic Disney film. Including its so on the nose messages. It just wasn't Star Wars.
And while some plot holes can be ignored, the largest, which really hurts the film, has to do with the main dilemma of the film. If that had just been a small piece of the film before they reached the rebel base, it wouldn't have bothered anyone. But to stretch it out for almost 2 hrs of the film, which was about 18 hrs of in-movie time, of course the obvious plotholes are going to rear their ugly head. In 18 hrs, the Order couldn't have called in another ship to either lightspeed right behind them or on the other side? Or they couldn't have taken a few smaller ships, either manned with expendables or autopiloted, to lightspeed through the ship, since that's a thing now?
You are right, though, that the handling of characters, both old and new, are what the main problems were.
Tulipanzo said: Seems a bit rich to label people who liked TLJ as "not real fans" If you've got solid criticism of the movie use that, please. (Unless it's the Mary Sue shite, then don't bother) Using this "drop" to try and push that people didn't really like it is also quite fanciful. For one thing it's very likely to do very well over the holidays, and for another it has already amassed massive amounts of cash. Add to that the fact that very few movies would be likely to replicate the event status of the start of a new Star Wars trilogy (see Episode V and II also suffering because of this). For my part I really liked it. It's pushing the franchise in a new direction, one of a world predicated on flawed myths and widespread corruption. The new layers we get to see to both sides of the conflict us what I found the most fascinating. I'll probably see it again over the holidays actually. |
Lol, the only ones who don't want the Mary Sue aspect brought up are the ones who can't defend it. She's a Mary Sue. Might as well accept it.
And of course the drop means people didn't like it. Not all, just a lot. Even JL, which was poorly received by critics AND movie goers, dropped 56%. This dropped 69%. TFA dropped only 40%. Even if you say that was only hype, then it should have only dropped ~50%, like The Avengers and Jurassic World, two other films that opened over $200M. There's just no way you can excuse it, the drop is god awful. And it has to be one of the top drops in movie history, especially for a big movie like this.