The few scenes that were removed were even more outrageous. This director has no clue.

Is called a hate bandwagoon, something that people without personality jumps in.  This movie was awesome, when time passes and people finally starts to accept the changes and the natural evolution of the saga things will change, it has happened a lot of times in cinema, I already seen this happening a bunch of times just no so exagerated, I hope you still here when that happens, is gonna fun.

Is called a hate bandwagoon, something that people without personality jumps in.  This movie was awesome, when time passes and people finally starts to accept the changes and the natural evolution of the saga things will change, it has happened a lot of times in cinema, I already seen this happening a bunch of times just no so exagerated, I hope you still here when that happens, is gonna fun.

I really hate playing this card, but part of me thinks its because they would not accept having a male (Luke) teaching her everything, patronizing her and in the end being responsible for a huge part of her development. It was important to pass the message that she, as a female, could achieve everything without the help of a man. Usually I dont have this kind of thinking but judging based on what happens in the rest of the movie I feel inclined to think this way. I really hope im wrong.

Nobody would have complained if Luke ended like Obiwan or Yoda.

- They weren't depressed and weak nor grumbling

- They actually trained Luke and were useful in the story

- They never tried to kill their nephews in their sleep

- They were not overwhelmed by powerless kid..... Obiwan defeated Anakin and Yoda fought Sidious , the most powerful sith , to a draw.  Luke was knocked out by a weak Kylo Ren and never redeemed himself.

Johnson pissed on Luke Skywalker, and that's why his movie is hated. Not only it's a very bad movie, but it's a disgusting movie, a franchise destroyer, something that left a disgusting taste in your mouth. I don't think I will watch episode 9 if they don't immediately correct the course. I will wait the true fans reactions before, for sure. It killed any anticipation.

It was never going to. If you had not notice, that would be a huge negative and if it was obvious the backlash would be immense.  The same as ghost busters, they dint say man are stupid or evil, and women are always right, man hold women back, women aren't trusted. But they implied all of that by the actions and events that occured, like making the 2 main male characters a handsome idiot, and an evil nerd, then combine them for the ultimate evil. All the man in power thought they where crazy, useless and made everything possible to stand in their way. The women had always a strong belief in their goals, even though everyone was against them, they have a momentary lapse of faith to them be proven right almost immediately and everybody sees the folly of their way. So women perfect, man flawed. 

I wont go into how star wars did the same cuz it was pointed out multiple times in this thread. 

You say you have no problems arguing the points made, why don't you? Its more productive that asumin sexim. 

I know The Last Jedi is very divided when it comes to the audience, but I think it's a huge exaggeration to say that it's a franchise destroyer. I honestly wonder if people thought that way at the time the prequel trilogy was released.

Yeah, you sound way to much like a feminist, only they complain bout how males are portrayed compared to women in movies. Do you feel the same way about the 2nd Alien movie for example where the men are generally morons or bad guys? I think you are reading way to much into things.

At its basic, sure.  But expanding from there, playing with the legendary status, tearing it down, reaffirming it.  Playing with the flaws that Luke possessed in the Original Trilogy.  Giving Kylo Ren an actual solid motivation for turning to the Dark Side beyond Vader fanboyism.  Building a connection between Rey and Ben.  It's a solid storyline.

I have no problem criticizing Star Wars movies at this point in my life.  The other half of the movie was a distraction at best.  But Rey/Ben/Luke was a very well-told and powerful story.  The gut reaction from some fanboys actually enforces it.  Feeling betrayed by Luke's moment of weakness was exactly the idea.  You're highlighting a feature, not a bug.

Yeah, you sound way to much like a feminist, only they complain bout how males are portrayed compared to women in movies. Do you feel the same way about the 2nd Alien movie for example where the men are generally morons or bad guys? I think you are reading way to much into things.

I think that just goes to show just how brutally out of touch with their audiences the professional critics and the movie industry are.