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Forums - Movies & TV - The Fans Have Spoken, Last Jedi Drops A Massive 68%

d21lewis said:
Movies like this become super blockbusters because of repeat viewing. A lot of people don't want this movie to even exist, much less give it multiple viewings.

Yep.  Personally, it feels so good when the fans of a series unite to say no to Hollywood fucking with a franchise they cherish.  Resistance vs Empire.  What really pisses me off is the arrogance of Disney.  It kinda reminds me of the arrogance MS had at the launch of the XBO.  "We'll just shit out whatever movie/policies we want and they'll eat it up.  Look how well the last one did.  They need us, not the other way around."  I mean they seriously took the plot of a half hour sci-fi tv show and stretched it to fill 2 hrs.

Cerebralbore101 said:
Without spoiling anything, what was so bad about this movie? I haven't seen it yet.

The best way to describe it is to replay a scene in ESB, but how it would play out in this film.

Darth Vader:  Obi Wan never told you the truth about your father.
Luke: He told me that you killed him.
Darth Vader: (cocks his head awkwardly) Oh, I guess he did then.

Hope audience laughs.  Next shot is a closeup of a Porg.

BasilZero said:
Abrams from Episode VII will be directing episode IX right?

Yep.  The original director left when they fucked with the script.  My guess was to make it more like this abomination.  Mark Hamill said he liked the way Colin was going with his character.  But, I guess Disney and Rian Johnson killed him off before they could do that.  Doesn't look good since they now have the guy who wrote BvS and JL on board to write the script.



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Cerebralbore101 said:
Without spoiling anything, what was so bad about this movie? I haven't seen it yet.

I'm the one telling you the real problems of the movie, trust me.

Unnecessary humour and how the messages of the movie were told. And the pacing.

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Azuren said:
The only way I'll agree that TLJ is bad is if Rei gets all of the attention and Finn is sidelined. Rei is an awful Mary Sue, and Finn is a perfectly flawed coward in rehabilitation.

I'm guessing you haven't watched the movie, cause that's EXACTLY what happens.  I mean Finn only gets a side story that amounts to a big bunch of nothing.  Kind of like the movie in general.



The general public will still make this film a blockbuster. Film studios don't care about a 'core fanbase', they care about the name recognition and how many gp's they can put in those seats. Either way, I haven't heard anything bad about the movie, everyone's said it was amazing.



thismeintiel said:
Azuren said:
The only way I'll agree that TLJ is bad is if Rei gets all of the attention and Finn is sidelined. Rei is an awful Mary Sue, and Finn is a perfectly flawed coward in rehabilitation.

I'm guessing you haven't watched the movie, cause that's EXACTLY what happens.  I mean Finn only gets a side story that amounts to a big bunch of nothing.  Kind of like the movie in general.

Then fuck that movie.



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Guess I'll be watching my local theatre's special viewing of Diehard instead.



Goodnightmoon said:
Cerebralbore101 said:
Without spoiling anything, what was so bad about this movie? I haven't seen it yet.

Is actually one of the best SW movie ever made, many fans got an overreaction because it made some very bold decision and everybody is expecting Disney to ruin the franchise since forever, most plotholes are actually easily explained, the others are on the average level of plotholes that the rest of the franchise has, the humour is nothing new on the saga, it has been there since the beginning (people remember SW as it was the Goodfather, when SW was a movie made for 12 years old kids as George Lucas said several times) and the movie itself is very well directed, is not by chance that this is one of the most critically acclaimed movies in the franchise and I have no doubt time will put it on its place.

I look forward to the day when you actually change your mind on this film.  How anyone can like that the plot of a half hour episode of Star Trek:TNG or Clone Wars, and not a great one I'll add, got stretched out to 2 hrs is acceptable for a mainline SW movie is beyond me.  Can't be a real fan if they don't care that SW has been reduced to this.  Thank god real fans are speaking with their wallets.



thismeintiel said:
Goodnightmoon said:

Is actually one of the best SW movie ever made, many fans got an overreaction because it made some very bold decision and everybody is expecting Disney to ruin the franchise since forever, most plotholes are actually easily explained, the others are on the average level of plotholes that the rest of the franchise has, the humour is nothing new on the saga, it has been there since the beginning (people remember SW as it was the Goodfather, when SW was a movie made for 12 years old kids as George Lucas said several times) and the movie itself is very well directed, is not by chance that this is one of the most critically acclaimed movies in the franchise and I have no doubt time will put it on its place.

I look forward to the day when you actually change your mind on this film.  How anyone can like that the plot of a half hour episode of Star Trek:TNG or Clone Wars, and not a great one I'll add, got stretched out to 2 hrs is acceptable for a mainline SW movie is beyond me.  Can't be a real fan if they don't care that SW has been reduced to this.  Thank god real fans are speaking with their wallets.

How can anybody believe this movie is bad but one where the galaxy is saved cause a random tribe of teddy bears think C3PO is God and kill the imperial enemies with rocks and stick is a masterpiece, now that's really beyond me. Many of you will realize you were just being very obtuse when judging this movie, it was a blast, it had a lot of risk and it was fantastically directed, some just need time to accept the changes it made, I recomend you to give it another watch in a year, I have already seen it twice and I see the same, a great movie for the franchise, and so do most people around me and almost every single professional critic.



After seeing the Monday-Thursday drops I posted on a Star Wars forum that it would do 72millon. I feel like projections for Sunday could be a couple million low but idk. 

 

   I am happy to see it perform porely post initial weekend. I don't want Rian Johnson getting his own trilogy doing whatever he wants.  He already ruined my hype for the saga movies going forward. I hope Disney sees how porely it performs and pulls it out from under him. I'm hoping for under 600 million domestic and under 1.25 million global. Sounds like great numbers but this movie should have been capable of hitting 700-850 million domestic and 1.7 billion WW. 

 

   It should get a good boost for the next 2 weeks though. It's fallen right to rogue one levels, and that got some really good boosts for these next 2 weeks(they came out one day apart on calander).  I anticipate that it will do a little lower than rogue one during that time frame. I honestly think if that happens it will put a nail in rian Johnsons trilogy(thank the gods). 

 

  I think Disney will freak out internally with 600 domestic and 1.25 billion WW. Sounds really good but that's approaching a 50% drop from TFA. What happens after that 800milliom global for the next spinoff and 1 billion for EP9? Than what after that? It's obvious that disneys hope is to do a Star Wars movie every year, with that I'm sure they are asking this question after every release: did this movie strengthen the brand(or keep at same levels) or did this movie weekend the brand. If a movie weekens their brand than it's a failure.



Halo MCC will sell 5+ million copies(including digital)

halo 5 will sell 10 million copies(including digital)

x1 will pass ps4 in USA, and UK.

thismeintiel said:
Goodnightmoon said:

Is actually one of the best SW movie ever made, many fans got an overreaction because it made some very bold decision and everybody is expecting Disney to ruin the franchise since forever, most plotholes are actually easily explained, the others are on the average level of plotholes that the rest of the franchise has, the humour is nothing new on the saga, it has been there since the beginning (people remember SW as it was the Goodfather, when SW was a movie made for 12 years old kids as George Lucas said several times) and the movie itself is very well directed, is not by chance that this is one of the most critically acclaimed movies in the franchise and I have no doubt time will put it on its place.

I look forward to the day when you actually change your mind on this film.  How anyone can like that the plot of a half hour episode of Star Trek:TNG or Clone Wars, and not a great one I'll add, got stretched out to 2 hrs is acceptable for a mainline SW movie is beyond me.  Can't be a real fan if they don't care that SW has been reduced to this.  Thank god real fans are speaking with their wallets.

Can you not do that? Just because Goodnightmoon likes The Last Jedi doesn't mean he's not a "real fan." I thought being a fan of Star Wars simply meant that you like Star Wars.