Cobretti2 said:
I did read it originally, and you can reset politics. It has been 30 years since the original events. The empire fell. They do not need to explain it because Disney being Disney will milk the franchise and create "A Star Wars Story" to explain it and make another $600m + |
Sorry, but no, you cannot reset the politics, especially when they make absolutely no sense. The Rebels won. They would have had a big part of setting up a new government. And they definitely would have done everything possible to make sure a new Empire didn't rise up. Yet, here we are. The Order is freaking huge, and the Rebels are just some small group, the only ones opposing the Order, that for some reason billions in the galaxy have not joined. Doesn't play. And people aren't satisfied with this lazy reset, so we can just start right back where we started from in the OG trilogy. It pains me to say it, but the prequels had MUCH better world building and also a unique setup compared to these.
haxxiy said:
It was a broad rehash of V + VI, you maybe just didn't notice it. Vader: I'm your father, join with me now vs. Kylo: your parents are nobody, join with me now. Offer of ruling the galaxy together promptly refused on both accounts, good character flees. Remote planet made of snow/salt with large caves where the remaining of the resistance is, Vader/Kylo goes there himself along a couple of AT-ATs. Luke/Rey surrenders himself to Vader/Kylo thinking he might be redeemed, instead takes him to the Emperor/Snoke but Vader/Kylo kills the Emperor/Snoke after watching Luke/Rey tortured. Foreshadowing during the scene is so blatant that it isn't really unexpected. Rey/Luke train with exiled Jedi master Yoda/Luke but forego continuing the lessons to help their friends. Luke/Yoda die on exile. Cool guy from remote planet seems reliable but betrays them to the Empire/First Order. He might (or not) regret it later on. Phasma/Fett die falling on a pit of fire/sarlac after being terribly wasted during the trilogy. She/he might not have actually died. There is a path of land influenced by the dark side where the jedi master is on exile, Rey/Luke face it on a journey of discovery. ... and so on. It had good and original parts, but, IMO, the original parts aren't good and the good parts aren't original. Some think it was bold, but it indulges on rehashing the plot of small resistance vs. huge empire and then, when there is a good chance of doing something unexpected, such as Finn sacrificing himself or have Rey actually fall for the dark side, instead it all goes the expected, beaten path. |
Exactly. It's not as bold and original as the people claim it to be. And it does everything worse, as well. Wherever there could be a nice twist, we get an anti-twist that amounts to setup and payoff meaning nothing. And wherever we could have a serious scene that hits, they have to ruin it with crappy dialogue or poor jokes that do not hit. And on top of that we have a side quest straight out of any other Disney flick.
| NightlyPoe said: It's not nearly as bad as you make out. The Force Awakens had the perfect calendar for its opening date. Kids were let out of school on the day it opened and its second Friday was Christmas. Aside from a Christmas Eve drop, it was like having a weekend day every day for 16 straight days. By the time kids got back to school, The Force Awakens was only a few million being Avatar for the top domestic movie of all-time. The Last Jedi had the worst calendar for its opening date. Students still in school for its first weekdays. Holiday shopping eating into its second weekend. Christmas Eve is always a terrible box office day. That's where most of the drop comes from. Watch the box office tomorrow, it'll outperform The Force Awakens 2nd Monday fairly easily. The Force Awakens will get its $600 million like expected. And, for what it's worth, The Last Jedi was much, MUCH better movie than The Force Awakens even with its flaws (slow-motion chase scene and casino side-trip). |
Oh, would you guys stop it with moving the goal posts. We're no longer trying to compare it tother mainline SW films, cause that makes it look bad. If this movie was good, it doesn't matter the schedule it had, it would be doing gangbusters. And it actually started out fine. WW it was only behind TFA by ~$80M, a drop of ~15%. You could say that was because of the calendar or TFA hype or whatever. But, the calendar does not account for the massive drop it has continued to see. It's not even been two weeks since release and TLJ is already $335M off from TFA, or 32% down. It's only going to continue to get worse.
And no, no it isn't. And fans are letting it be known with their wallets.
Last edited by thismeintiel - on 25 December 2017
